Hi all,

In my opinion sunBow is a very good low level tool set to support the
cocoon projects done in eclipse. The functions I use most are the
deployment functionality and the XSLT trace. Not quite cocoon
specific, but very useful. Although, the xml/xsl editor is quite
useful for "easy" tasks, it is not sophisticated enough if you have
more complex requirements. For example do validation and code
completion based on xml schema or relax NG. Another annoying thing is,
that it requires to achieve best results a quite outdated milestone
build of eclipse and an cocoon version not available as source package
on cocoon's download page. This fact leads to the question if further
development is put on hold...

Sorry, for my openness. I know, that ATM sunBow is offered for free by
s&n. And the business model of s&n is not built on offering good tools
for free. Although, I think offering sunBow for free was a great move
and I'm thankful for that. However, I think it would be a pretty good
thing, to offer a bunch of supporting applications with the cocoon
distribution. Just imagine the benefits if a first time user of cocoon
gets a good framework for XML publishing *and* helpful applications
which enable the user to rapidly develop and deploy his xml
applications. However actually the further development is restricted
to the s&n's resource allocation to sunBow. Wouldn't it be a good
thing if development of such a tool is independent of just one firm
(or one person). Has s&n ever thought about opening the source? Has
Anyware Technologies, offering another tool set, ever had such
thoughts? Or are both planing to offer a commercial product?

Sorry, might be a bit OT and I'd like to add, that I really appreciate
the work all the above mentioned firms have done. However, it is never
to late to start a discussion....

RGDS

Markus


On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:07:03 +0100, Jens Maukisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Lars,
> 
> > The original poster mentioned Sunbow, so it seems that he wants to trace
> > the sitemap execution.
> 
> Please note that the Sitemap-Debugger only works with Cocoon 2.1.4,
> because it replaces some components of Cocoon which maybe have changed
> in the meantime. Furhtermore it is possible that some components of
> sunBow does not work correctly in the latest eclipse as the last version
> was for the m6/m7 of Eclipse 3.
> 
> It would be nice to have a working version at least of the Sitemap-Debugger
> again, because it was sometimes very helpfull, but we will see ...
> 
> --
> * best regards
> * Jens Maukisch
> 
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