Well, I guess throw the idea around with the other developers. If I'm not an intrusion, I'd be happy to pitch in when I can.

Brad

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On Nov 10, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:

Brad,

You may have an unrealistically high expectation of the workload of
committers :-) Many of us committers have constrained bandwidth.
However, there's a very broad middle ground between being 'just a
user' and being a committer. 'co' a tree, do analysis, post patches to
JIRAs. That's (part of) what we'd ask you to do if you wanted to be
come a committer, anyway. If JAX-RS is important enough to you to put
in some time improving the code or doc of CXF, you can do that on as
small of a scale as appeals to you.

--benson


On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Brad O'Hearne
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Sergey,


Do you suggest us keeping the history of all changes which have been done to the configuration ? So that you can look at the page and locate the
description of your

That's up to you -- in general it would help to have config doc per version. But if unable to do that, or if it creates too much documentation overhead in getting releases out, just make sure that the doc is accurate for the current release (and I suppose if it is, then there is no overhead for past versions, just keep the old version of the doc with the old release each
time it is updated for a new version).

- I'm not completely sure about the standards here, so if I'm mistaken,
please correct me. I was of the understanding that the
jax- rs 1.0 standard specifies the @Produces and @Consumes annotations.
CXF  does not support these, even in the 2.2 version --
using them results in compile errors. It instead supports @ProducesMime
and @ConsumesMime.

I'm wondering how CXF tests using @Produces and @Consumes compile ? Check your classpath please, I bet you still have an older jaxrs api hanging
around...

I'm absolutely positive that these don't compile on my machine, and I do not have older jaxrs API's in my classpath -- this compilation was on a new project which never referenced anything but the newer version. I've never referenced the older version in this project -- ever -- though I am building with maven, perhaps there's some funny business in the pom's or something.

it does, Honestly - I regret people like yourself who submitted a bunch of good patches are not CXF committers yet, as Dan mentioned in his recent
email, otherwise we'd have more hands and much better docs :-).

I don't know if this is due to something on your end, or on mine -- I've certainly never requested to be a committer, and that was probably due to courtesy -- I didn't want to communicate an unrealistic expectation of development time available on my end. If you are saying that you want me to be a committer, then let me know, and what would be expected in doing so, and perhaps it is something which would be useful. I'm pretty much jax-rs bound in my projects right now, so I can give good feedback in that portion
of the project.

Btw, I am also an author, currently writing articles, and one thing which would be HUGE would be some good articles on using CXF. Myself, I'd actually
like to know more what is going on underneath the hood of CXF.

Let me know -- back in ancient times I actually did a little work with
Xerces...

Brad


On Nov 10, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Sergey Beryozkin wrote:



On documentation:

- There is literally one line in the RESTFul Services / Jax-rs section
which references the existence of a 2.2 version and the
extent jax-rs  compatibility / support.

There's no 2.2 version yet - it's still SNAPSHOT and it's been updated to
support 1.0 only a couple of weeks ago.


- Nowhere does it list specific dependencies for jax-rs.

- Even in the How-to build your cxf project with maven section, where it
supposedly shows all dependencies possible, there is no
listing of  the jax-rs dependency in there.

- The maven repository you mentioned below is not listed in the pom.xml
in the How-to / build / maven mentioned previously.

sure, I'll fix it


- The beans.xml file in the Configuring jax-rs services for Spring
section has a bug in it. There are conficting ID's used by the
jaxrs:server and customerService bean.

thanks for pointing it out


- Nowhere is there mentioned any progress on dependency SNAPSHOTS or
current repositories for locating these.

- In the past, there have been jax-rs configuration / usage changes in
newer versions -- these were not documented.

Do you suggest us keeping the history of all changes which have been done to the configuration ? So that you can look at the page and locate the description of your currently outdated configuration syntax ? At one point of time we had <jaxrs:entityProviders> (introduced thanks to your patch as far as I remember). Then I was absolutely certain that when starting to work on supporting different types of JAXRS providers I mentioned in the docs that soon <jaxrs:entityProviders> would be replaced by <jaxrs:providers> -
perhaps there's a history of changes there.


- I'm not completely sure about the standards here, so if I'm mistaken,
please correct me. I was of the understanding that the
jax- rs 1.0 standard specifies the @Produces and @Consumes annotations.
CXF  does not support these, even in the 2.2 version --
using them results in compile errors. It instead supports @ProducesMime
and @ConsumesMime.

I'm wondering how CXF tests using @Produces and @Consumes compile ? Check your classpath please, I bet you still have an older jaxrs api hanging
around...


- Not that this cannot be deducted, but in all web services / REST
documentation in general, both with CXF and other frameworks
I've  used, it would be a great help to pair with configuration /
annotation  documentation a concise explanation of what the
final URL your services resides at, depending upon your configuration,
i.e.:

<webapp-context-root (web.xml)> / <jaxrs:server address (beans.xml
address attr)> / <service class path (class file @Path)> /
<service  method path (method @Path in class file)

ok - makes sense.


Different configurations vary, of course, but documenting the convention
would be helpful. It would also be helpful to have some
discussion of the use of the address in the jaxrs:server configuration
vs. the service class @Path, and why these would be used
as something other than "/" or not. I know that starts entering the
domain of REST  a bit, but when examples merely show "/", the
user is left wondering why it exists at all, or under what circumstances
would it be changed,  if "/" is the recommended value.

ok


- A list of changes from one version to another would be helpful.
Perhaps this exists somewhere and I don't know where.

agreed


Hope that helps.

it does, Honestly - I regret people like yourself who submitted a bunch of good patches are not CXF committers yet, as Dan mentioned in his recent
email, otherwise we'd have more hands and much better docs :-).

Thanks for your suggestions abyway - I think I see how the documentation
needs to be improved - will try to do it asap

Cheers, Sergey


Brad

On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:09 AM, Willem Jiang wrote:

Hi Sergey,

Can you add this document into the CXF wiki page ? Maybe you can also
add a section of CXF 2.1.x release note :)

Cheers,

Willem
Sergey Beryozkin wrote:

Hi


All,

If anyone knows the required dependencies (and versions), and any required repositories to build CXF 2.2 with Jax-RS (RESTful services)
using Maven, I'd greatly appreciate it.

As far as CXF is concerned, in 2.2-SNAPSHOT, compared to versions
starting from 2.1.2, the following dependencies have changed :

1. javax.ws.rs/jsr311-api/0.8 -> javax.ws.rs/jsr311-api/1.0

it's available from

<repository>
       <id>java.net.2</id>
       <name>Java Net 2 Repository</name>
       <url>http://download.java.net/maven/2</url>
</repository>

AFAIK, JAXRS team have changed the maven repo starting from 0.8, so if you're migrating from CXF with versions earlier than 2.1.2 you might
see
artifact download problems.

2. org.apache.cxf/cxf-rt-databinding-aegis/2.2-SNAPSHOT added -
compile


Some other changes across CXF
(http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/cxf/trunk/parent/pom.xml)

- Spring dependencies have changed from 2.0.8 in 2.1.x to 2.5.6
- javax.xml.bind/jaxb-api/2.1
- com.sun.xml.bind/jaxb-impl/2.1.7

I'm not aware of any other significant changes which might affect
JAXRS
implementation.
Does it help ? Any specific problems you're still seeing ?


A kind suggestion: I've been using CXF and Jax-RS stuff for around a
year now

thanks :-) !

. and every time there's been a mild breeze blow which has in

any way affected CXF configuration or building in Maven, simple
upgrading to the latest version has resulted in a several day plunge down the rabbit hole to figure out how to build / configure again. It would be a great improvement to the release process if at the very least the build / configuration documentation was updated with the latest release. Restated, don't release the code without the build /
configuration doc updated.

Your suggestions are welcome and we'll try do do it right for 2.2 once it's released. I think Dan is doing a lot of work in this regard but
capturing version and repository changes would be good indeed.
In meantime please send a message to a user list whenever you have any
issues and we'll try our best to help.

When confronted with this yet again today,
despite the fact I have no need or desire to move away from CXF, I spent several hours researching alternatives so that I could avoid
having to go through this again.

I'd really hate to see users like yourself who've helped us to push
CXF
JAX-RS implementation to its current level go (still not rock- solid
but
in a much better shape than it used to be), same way as I hate seeing users who've just quickly tried it and decided to look elsewhere. From our perspective we know though that users are totally free to choose
so
we have really one option - just keep working and make it work well
and
I know we'll get there. It's important for users to understand that we're committed to seeing CXF as a platform capable of accommodating
and
mixing different styles of services. Likewise we'll think hard on how
to
make CXF JAXRS 'shine' on its own. There's only one problem - lack of resources - for ex I'm not able to allocate 100% of my time to JAXRS work so that's why users have to struggle with figuring out themselves
how to update dependencies/etc.

But as I said, your comments are helpful and we'll take them on board.

Thanks, Sergey


Thanks -- any help you can give with the question above would be
greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

Brad

Brad O'Hearne
Owner / Developer
Big Hill Software
ph.480.280.1468
fx.888.600.8806
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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