Hi Sam,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Dienstag, 26. November 2013 10:20
> To: Andrei Shakirin
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Best practice of using external WS-Policy files with CXF?
> 
> Hi Andrei,
> 
> This does mean the policy imported in option c could be using:
> - option a: wsdl already contains <wsp:PolicyReference URI="#policyId"/> so
> the policy applied at runtime will define actual  <wsp:Policy
> wsu:Id="policyId"> or
> - option b:  policyattachemnt element
> 
> and CXF should still work right?

Not sure that I got your question. If you use option (c), it doesn't matter how 
your policy is related with WSDL.
You load file with ws-policy yourself, parse it with Neethi and apply to 
POLICY_OVERRIDE message property. That's all.
All other policy related to WSDL will be ignored in this case. Take a look in 
CXF  PolicyInInterceptor and PolicyOutInterceptor code.

Regards,
Andrei.

> 
> 
> Thanks
> Sam
> 
> 
> On 25/11/2013 6:20 a.m., Andrei Shakirin wrote:
> > Hi Sam,
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]]
> >> Sent: Sonntag, 24. November 2013 00:39
> >> To: Andrei Shakirin
> >> Cc: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: Best practice of using external WS-Policy files with CXF?
> >>
> >> Hi Andrei,
> >>
> >> I think I will go for option C but the question is if a policy is
> >> targeted at wsdl:input, wsdl:output or sp:header, say signing then
> >> encrypt those parts, then how does policy reference parts of WSDL
> without using a) and b).
> > If you apply ws-policy using PolicyConstants.POLICY_OVERRIDE (option (c)),
> this effective policy is used to trigger interceptors for current message and 
> all
> other ws-policies from service model are ignored (see PolicyInInterceptor
> and PolicyOutInterceptor for details).
> > Therefore, is up to you how to compose and merge effective policy - CXF
> doesn't care about any WSDL relations in this case, it will just use your
> effective policy.
> >
> >> Is there any sample code usage/examples of option C in CXF source
> >> code beside BindingPropertiesTest?
> > I will distil the option C in small sample and link it from my blog as soon 
> > as I
> find a bit a time to do that.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrei.
> >
> >> Thanks
> >> Sam
> >>
> >>
> >> On 21/11/2013 4:16 a.m., Andrei Shakirin wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> The policy what you found in
> >> rt/ws/security/src/test/resources/org/apache/cxf/ws/security/wss4j
> >> don't reference WSDL, but refer parts of SOAP message to be signed or
> encrypted.
> >>> That is not related to binding WS-Policy to WSDL.
> >>>
> >>> To bind the policies you have following options:
> >>> a) Embed WS-Policy into WSDL
> >>> b) use WS-PolicyAttachment
> >>> c) apply policy dynamically at runtime
> >>>
> >>> As Dennis said, you could refer to this CXF documents
> >>> http://cxf.apache.org/docs/ws-policy.html,
> >>> http://cxf.apache.org/docs/how-to-define-policies.html
> >>> and my blog:
> >>> http://ashakirin.blogspot.de/2012/02/using-ws-policy-in-cxf-projects
> >>> .h
> >>> tml
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Andrei.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Sam [mailto:[email protected]]
> >>>> Sent: Dienstag, 19. November 2013 12:01
> >>>> To: [email protected]
> >>>> Subject: Best practice of using external WS-Policy files with CXF?
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I found many sample policy files within /apache-cxf-2.7.6-
> >>>> src/rt/ws/security/src/test/resources/org/apache/cxf/ws/security/ws
> >>>> s4 j that don't use wsu:Id attribute at all in <wsp:Policy>, i.e.
> >>>> <wsp:Policy wsu:Id="test_policy">.
> >>>> This implies the WSDL doesn't even need to use
> >>>> <wsp:PolicyReference> to use them. Instead these policy files use
> >>>> something like the following to refer to parts of WSDL.
> >>>>
> >>>>          <sp:SignedParts>
> >>>>            <sp:Body/>
> >>>>            <sp:Header Name="Header" Namespace="http://www.sdj.pl"/>
> >>>>          </sp:SignedParts>
> >>>>          <sp:SignedParts>
> >>>>            <sp:Body/>
> >>>>            <sp:Header Namespace="http://www.sdj.pl"/>
> >>>>          </sp:SignedParts>
> >>>>
> >>>>            or use xpath like
> >>>>
> >>>>        <sp:EncryptedElements>
> >>>>            <sp:XPath>//soap:Body</sp:XPath>
> >>>>          </sp:EncryptedElements>
> >>>>
> >>>>           <sp:SignedElements>
> >>>>            <sp:XPath>//ser:Header</sp:XPath>
> >>>>          </sp:SignedElements>
> >>>>
> >>>> So just to confirm, is CXF capable of applying these reusable,
> >>>> external WS- Policy files to WSDL at runtime without modifying WSDL
> >>>> to use <wsp:PolicyReference>?
> >>>> What is the best practice of applying external WS-Policy files with CXF?
> >>>>
> >>>> I see no need to use <wsp:PolicyAttachment> at all if the above
> >>>> approach work for CXF. <wsp:PolicyAttachment> seems much less
> >> flexisble.
> >>>> All the CXF examples and forum discussions I read seem to suggest
> >>>> it's best to embed policy within WSDL but I can't see CONs of
> >>>> useing external WS- Policy files like above.
> >>>>
> >>>> What am I trying to do? I read the link
> >>>> http://ashakirin.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/cxf-security-getting-certif
> >>>> ic
> >>>> ates-
> >>>> from.html
> >>>> and try to implement a WS client that can apply WS-Policy
> >>>> dynamically at run time  without touching WSDL.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sam

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