The problem with the easy/flexible/enterprise ready container on top of the framework is, that a real lot of users (including me) cannot use it, because their applications *must* run within a difficult/inflexible/enterprise ready 10 years ago container. Or, in other words: A solution must be available outside Karaf anyways.
Jochen On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote: > I agree, but Karaf is flexible enough to create your own custom > distribution, where you easily assembly what you need. > I know that some of you may think that OSGi is enough by itself, and a > container doesn't make sense, but I disagree about that. Providing an > easy/flexible/enterprise ready container on top of the framework is very > interesting for the users. > > My $0.02 > > Regards > JB > > > On 12/17/2014 03:22 PM, Milen Dyankov wrote: >> >> Well if someone says he wants to use B instead of A, I assume he/she has >> his reasons. That's why I tend to avoid answering like "just stay with A" >> as it doesn't really help. Besides, you don't really need everything Karaf >> comes with, in order to define and use datasources. Depends on the use >> case >> one may end up anywhere between installing 2-3 bundles to building custom >> Karaf. >> >> Best, >> Milen >> >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> if at the end, you install the same bundles as in Karaf (where we also >>> bring some configuration and convenient commands), the question is why >>> not >>> directly using Karaf ;) >>> >>> Regards >>> JB >>> >>> >>> On 12/17/2014 02:44 PM, Milen Dyankov wrote: >>> >>>> You probably know this but just to make it clear - Karaf is not directly >>>> comparable with Felix. It can use Felix or Equinox but it comes OOTB >>>> with >>>> many bundles pre-installed. That is why your datasource "works" in >>>> Karaf. >>>> It will work in Felix if you have appropriate bundles (that understand >>>> what >>>> datasource is, how is defined and how to deal with it) installed. In >>>> your >>>> case this is first the blueprint impl to process your blueprint config. >>>> Then it depend on what really a 'datasource' is in your case you'll need >>>> some more. Have a look at >>>> https://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/apache/karaf/ >>>> features/enterprise/3.0.2/enterprise-3.0.2-features.xml >>>> to see what Karaf uses if you want to stick with those implementations. >>>> There you'll see a "jdbc", "jpa", ... features and what bundles they >>>> consists of. Depending on what exactly is your use case, you may or may >>>> not >>>> need to install all of them! >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Milen >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Achim Nierbeck >>>> <bcanh...@googlemail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> No I'm not saying that, >>>>> but if he expects to use blueprint xml definitions for a datasource >>>>> he'll >>>>> need to put all those bundles back in again, in >>>>> the end he might end up with the Karaf-minimal distro so where is the >>>>> point? >>>>> >>>>> regards, Achim >>>>> >>>>> 2014-12-17 14:02 GMT+01:00 Neil Bartlett <njbartl...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Achim, are you seriously saying that you need the complete Karaf stack >>>>>> just in order to use a datasource?? That’s nuts. >>>>>> >>>>>> RamaKrishna, what is the issue you’re having? If you have a datasource >>>>>> bundle you can just install it in Felix and it will work. If not, >>>>>> please >>>>>> report the errors you get. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Neil >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17 Dec 2014, at 12:51, Achim Nierbeck <bcanh...@googlemail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any reason not to stick to Karaf as your container as it uses Felix >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> >>>>>> its >>>>>> >>>>>>> framework? >>>>>>> Otherwise you'll need to re-assemble the complete stack that is used >>>>>>> >>>>>> inside >>>>>> >>>>>>> Karaf. >>>>>>> So you'll need to add the blueprint bundles first, those can be found >>>>>>> >>>>>> at >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> the Aries Project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now you'll need to make sure you have Felix File install configured >>>>>>> correctly and installed with your framework. >>>>>>> For that you'll need some sort of main that does the bootstrapping of >>>>>>> bundles that need to be part of the "basic" setup. >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> I think I could go on for about 4 to 5 other projects you most likely >>>>>>> >>>>>> would >>>>>> >>>>>>> need. >>>>>>> Again, why don't you stick to Karaf as it brings all of this >>>>>>> infrastructural glueing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards, Achim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014-12-17 12:13 GMT+01:00 Ramakrishna R <ramakrishna...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Team, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I want to know how to configure datasource in Felix container. I >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> blueprint that contains datasource info, this i want to make work in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Felix. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> In Karaf when i put it in deploy folder it works perfectly. Am not >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> getting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> a direction as how to achive this in felix. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> RamaKrishna RV >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apache Member >>>>>>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC >>>>>>> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Committer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> & >>>>>> >>>>>>> Project Lead >>>>>>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/> >>>>>>> Co-Author of Apache Karaf Cookbook <http://bit.ly/1ps9rkS> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Software Architect / Project Manager / Scrum Master >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@felix.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@felix.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Apache Member >>>>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC >>>>> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer >>>>> & >>>>> Project Lead >>>>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/> >>>>> Co-Author of Apache Karaf Cookbook <http://bit.ly/1ps9rkS> >>>>> >>>>> Software Architect / Project Manager / Scrum Master >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré >>> jbono...@apache.org >>> http://blog.nanthrax.net >>> Talend - http://www.talend.com >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@felix.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@felix.apache.org >>> >>> >> > > -- > Jean-Baptiste Onofré > jbono...@apache.org > http://blog.nanthrax.net > Talend - http://www.talend.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@felix.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@felix.apache.org > -- Our time is just a point along a line that runs forever with no end. 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