You set the cardinality in the config admin configuration, so that is indeed a 
place where you are definitely expected to know exactly how the component is 
being deployed into that particular framework at that time and what other 
services are available.

For instance the (proprietary) config framework I use has a way of counting the 
services in the rest of the configuration so it can set the cardinality 
accurately.

david jencks

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Ferry Huberts <maili...@hupie.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/10/15 18:22, David Jencks wrote:
>> Another use case is where you have set the <ref-name>.cardinality.minimum 
>> property to the expected number of actual services.
>> 
> 
> 
> I can see Tim's case, but this one is rather icky/hackish to me. It implies 
> knowledge of how the component is going to be deployed.
> 
> Anyway, it's all cleared up now as being by design and I fixed up my code, so 
> thanks to all.
> 
>> david jencks
>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Tim Ward <tim.w...@paremus.com 
>>> <mailto:tim.w...@paremus.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 7 Oct 2015, at 18:13, Ferry Huberts <maili...@hupie.com 
>>>> <mailto:maili...@hupie.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 07/10/15 18:01, Neil Bartlett wrote:
>>>>>> On 7 Oct 2015, at 13:56, Ferry Huberts <maili...@hupie.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:maili...@hupie.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cross-posting because I don't know if the situation/problem below is by 
>>>>>> design, a bug in bnd, or a bug in SCR
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a R6 component that does
>>>>>> @Reference(cardinality = ReferenceCardinality.AT_LEAST_ONE)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This appears to not bind new matching services, because the policy 
>>>>>> appears to be STATIC by default.
>>>>> Yes, static policy has always been the default in DS. You can see this 
>>>>> right back in the very first DS specification found in OSGi Compendium 
>>>>> R4.0, section 112.3.3: "The static policy is the most simple policy and 
>>>>> is the default policy”. Also section 112.10 that gives the XML schema, 
>>>>> where the reference element has the policy attribute defined as:
>>>>> 
>>>>>   <attribute name="policy" type="scr:Tpolicy" default="static" 
>>>>> use="optional"/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I did expect the ReferenceCardinality.AT_LEAST_ONE to imply 
>>>>>> ReferencePolicy.DYNAMIC, just like the bnd annotations did.
>>>>> Nope. These are new annotations in a new namespace. There is no reason to 
>>>>> expect them to have the same behaviour as the bnd annotations.
>>>> 
>>>> However, I challenge you to give me _one_ use-case where 
>>>> ReferencePolicy.STATIC && ReferencePolicy.(MULTIPLE|AT_LEAST_ONE) makes 
>>>> sense...
>>>> That combination _creates_ a timing dependency, services might or might 
>>>> not be bound, depending on startup order.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> You don't need to be dynamic if your reference is greedy. That will eagerly 
>>> pick up new services as they arrive too, just restarting the component when 
>>> it changes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> A warning in bndtools like 'you probably meant to use 
>>>> ReferencePolicy.DYNAMIC' when havingReferencePolicy.MULTIPLE or 
>>>> ReferencePolicy.AT_LEAST_ONE would be nice IMHO
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Changing it to
>>>>>> @Reference(policy = ReferencePolicy.DYNAMIC, cardinality = 
>>>>>> ReferenceCardinality.AT_LEAST_ONE)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> appears to make it work like I expected.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is this by design?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Coming from bnd annotations this - to me - seems like another (breaking) 
>>>>>> subtlety.
>>>>> It’s a subtlety perhaps because the standard annotations are just a 
>>>>> direct, literal transformation to the XML, whereas the bnd ones tried to 
>>>>> be “smart”. Yes, this is by design.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It’s certainly not breaking because, again, these are new annotations and 
>>>>> there is no reason to expect them to do the same thing…
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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