Hi

Sorry! no, there shouldn’t be any problem with AIR continuing to render the 
same Flex apps that they do at the moment. It will still render Flash-based and 
HTML-based content just the same as it does now.

The changes are where you're trying to use an HTML-based AIR application to 
load in embedded Flash content via the browser plug-in: initially AIR had its 
own version of Flash Player that it provided for this, but for many years now 
it's just used the system plug-in and of course that's the element that goes 
out of support at the end of this year. 

So AIR will still be fine for all the existing apps that just use this, and is 
a good way of turning a web-based Flex application into a desktop-app-style 
Flex application as long as you don't need the HTML/JS interactions via 
ExternalInterface and the like...

Sorry to cause confusion!

thanks

  Andrew


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org> 
Sent: 12 June 2020 09:46
To: users@flex.apache.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Keeping user applications up to date in AIR.

Hi Andrew,

I'm a bit confused here with your email. Do you mean that AIR apps in 2021 will 
not be able to render Flash/Flex apps?
I think many people count on that.

Thanks



El jue., 11 jun. 2020 a las 21:58, Frost, Andrew (<andrew.fr...@harman.com>)
escribió:

> Hi all
>
> Yes, using AIR to load some HTML content is still supported although 
> the WebKit version in AIR is around 10 years old (we've been asked to 
> update it to a more recent version - which could be quite a large job, 
> and it's not clear whether this is actually widely used any more..)
>
> Brian is quite right though. The issue will be that AIR doesn't ship 
> with the Flash Player, it ships with some placeholders now which would 
> take you to the Adobe "download Flash Player" page, and of course this 
> is disappearing in the new year. The WebKit engine would work with the 
> NPAPI version of Flash Player if you do have this installed, but this 
> isn't something you should bank on for long term usage and isn't 
> something that can (legally) be copied. See 
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/352mqQSY8RsAPPtdD2MVkZ57Vc?u=https%3A%2
> F%2Fwww.adobe.com%2Fproducts%2Fflashplayer%2Fend-of-life.html for a recent 
> update.
>
> We have some additional rights from Adobe that allow us to provide the 
> Flash Player - with a number of terms and conditions attached - for 
> some specific use cases, which can give people some additional 
> breathing space to continue migrating their applications. But this is 
> a commercial offering, we have some details available on our website 
> and are planning to update this further in the next few weeks (after a 
> few more announcements from relevant parties have been made). For the 
> general public and any home user, you really shouldn't expect them to 
> have the ability to view general Flash-based content from next year 
> (unless of course you switch to deploying it as an AIR application!)
>
> thanks
>
>    Andrew
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> Sent: 11 June 2020 17:40
> To: users@flex.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Keeping user applications up to date in AIR.
>
> Hi,
>
> It would be wise to test on a clean machine and consider how you will 
> get the Flash Player in the future as I don't think Adobe will be 
> providing them.  Harman might.
>
> It's been a long time since I've dealt with these sort of issues and I 
> think there may have been additional security restrictions added in 
> AIR since, but I thought that folks had successfully used a Flex/AIR 
> shell to load code modules from the network.
>
> HTH,
> -Alex
>
> On 6/10/20, 10:26 AM, "Brian Raymes" <brian.ray...@teotech.com> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     I am interested in a work-around as well, but unless I'm mistaken, 
> the solution below may not work at the end of the year given a change 
> to AIR starting in version 22?
>
>     "Starting in AIR 22, applications that play swf content via the 
> HTML control (WebKit) will now load the system level NPAPI Flash 
> Player provided by Adobe ( 
> https://clicktime.symantec.com/3VPJfW8zgdNptNyqxdTCXxZ7Vc?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fget.adobe.com%252Fflashplayer%26data%3D02%257C01%257Caharui%2540adobe.com%257C9eea501409b94b4c598e08d80d635f6c%257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%257C0%257C0%257C637274067748313564%26sdata%3DqxHnFxYlktD8GXnl909Ki662ALtZtHYeyEBFISiIq3Q%253D%26reserved%3D0).
> If this plugin is not available on the system, the end user will be 
> prompted to download and install the plugin from Adobe."
>
>     Source:
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> F%2Fnam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%
> 252Fhelpx.adobe.com%252Fflash-player%252Frelease-note%252Ffp_22_air_22
> _release_notes.html%26data%3D02%257C01%257Caharui%2540adobe.com%257C9e
> ea501409b94b4c598e08d80d635f6c%257Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%25
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>
>     If the plugin is to be removed from browsers, will the solution 
> below continue to work? Will Flash still be available to install separately?
> Could it be as simple as holding onto a legacy NPAPI installer?
>
>     Brian
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Paulus de B. <w.p.stuur...@knollenstein.com>
>     Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 2:04 AM
>     To: users@flex.apache.org
>     Subject: Re: Keeping user applications up to date in AIR.
>
>     Hi Paul,
>
>     We actually had the exact same setup in that we had an swf 
> application we needed to continue using after browsers stopped supporting 
> flash.
>
>     What we did for the time being (but works very well): create an 
> AIR application that uses the flex HTML control to load your swfs like 
> you did in the browser.
>
>     Create a WindowedApplication (Flex) with just one control in it:
>     <controls:HTML id="htmlControl" width="100%" height="100%"
>     horizontalScrollPolicy="off" verticalScrollPolicy="off" />
>
>     On the creationComplete
>     // Load your web application
>     htmlControl.location = "https://app...";;
>
>     In the end we did add the AIR updating functionality, but only for 
> updating the AIR app (which rarely happens). The swfs are loaded / 
> reloaded like the were in the browser.
>
>     Cheers
>
>     Paulus
>
>
>
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