Hi :)
Good work chap! :)  It's good to see all that work will remain available for a 
good long time :)

I think you are thinking of Debian, this is LO and uses a different system.  
"Stable" and "Old" are not always inter-changeable.    

As far as i can tell the 3.4.x branch has never been claimed to have long-term 
support.  Patches, updates and such are never likely to be back-ported to that 
branch.  Although that is not really an issue as LO doesn't seem to do updates 
anyway.  It's the long-term support that makes something "stable" and thus 
useful to corporate clients.  

At the outset the 3.3.x branch was claimed to have long term support of up to 1 
year from release date.  Quite what that support means in a project that 
develops so much so fast that it has no time for minor updates is unclear.  The 
3.4.3 is claimed to be "stable" but again it's unclear what that means.  
Perhaps LO will decide whether to use the Debian or the Ubuntu plan or make a 
new one.  At the moment it's just unclear or at least not obvious.  

On the plus side it is relatively trivial to test new releases and then 
roll-out upgrades without messing-up peoples settings or even to revert back to 
previous releases if a serious problem happens.  People seldom need to be on 
the same release at the same time in order to share stuff but to create some 
things initially you might need the latest.  


The Ubuntu model differs from the Debian one by having strictly scheduled 
releases every 6 months.  These are it's equivalent of "Development" releases 
and have a limited "shelf life" of 'only' 18months.  Every 2 years (2006, 2008, 
2010) one of their 6 monthlies is developed as an "LTS" so more effort goes 
into making it more solid so that it will last longer.  More importantly during 
the 3 years after release any important patches and updates writtten for any of 
the normal 6monthlies gets back-ported to the supported LTSes and some updates 
and patches get written specifically for those LTSes.  In around 2005 or before 
it was decided that so much work was going to be focused on the LTS that there 
would only be 1 release that year and it would be pushed back 2 months to June 
making it 6.06 LTS rather than having a 6.04 LTS and a 6.10 (err 
normal/development/6monthly).  Technical support and documentation also 
continue to be developed for the LTSes
 but i think it's the updates including the back-ported ones that are the 
crucial part of claiming that a release is stable.

So, Ubuntu has a system that is clear and obvious to non-geeky corporate 
clients.  It gives them confidence in planning for the future, such as when to 
schedule a roll-out of upgrades across a large number of machines.  They also 
gain confidence knowing that if threats develop or accidents happen then 
updates will happen 'automatically' and they can rely on getting tech support 
if needed.  

Of course the flip-side, as most non-business types appreciate, is that the 
product might be better sometimes with a little more work which might take 5 
mins or might take 5 months.  Most OpenSource projects (before Ubuntu) were 
quite happy delaying releases until they were ready with the better product.  
It's more rigorous and the product has better integrity but it is exactly the 
opposite of corporate culture and totally beyond their understanding.  They see 
it as lazy and unpredictable even tho that misses the point completely.  
Ubuntu's answer was to 'freeze' development of each project at a point the 
product is "good enough" and then the next release hopefully contains the 
better product.  

The 3.4.3 is the best release to use.  I'm not sure it's appropriate to 
describe one branch as better than another for any particular reason now that 
the 3.4.3 is claimed to be stable (whatever they mean by that).  Existing users 
of 3.3.0 and 3.3.1 will need to start thinking about details of upgrading soon 
as their year is almost up already.  3.3.2 and 3.3.3 need to start planning if 
they haven't already.  My plan is to sit&wait for the Ppa to give me a new one 
but i have already downloaded the 3.4.3 for both Windows and Debian-family 
(Ubuntu) and saved it to the network so i can upgrade if i happen to have time 
and access to a particular machine.  Not exactly a good corporate strategy and 
not a great plan for places that have a lot of machines!  

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 7/10/11, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions 
<[email protected]> wrote:

From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <[email protected]>
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Working on an archive site/pages for LO and the 
DVD[s] I have been working with
To: "LibreO - Users Global" <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, 7 October, 2011, 2:12


I have had the idea for a few months now, so I figured it was time to start 
working on it.

The original NA-DVD site has a set of archive pages for the installs that went 
into the NA-DVD[s].  There are all of the OSs and the language and help packs 
that were linked within the "default" install page[s].

This version of the site pages will have the contents of the DVDs, but will 
have installs for:
3.3.2, 3.3.3, 3.3.4
3.4.1, 3.4.2, 3.4.3
plus the new ones when they come out.

See what you think.  I need to work on the wording to describe the differences 
between the 3.3.x line and the 3.4.x line.  I could use some words to describe 
what line is best to use where.  I know that soon the 3.4.x line will be 
"enterprise ready" and the "most stable" and "cutting edge" words soon will not 
be the best.  Also, when 3.5.x line comes out, "most stable" will be describing 
3.4.x versions.  So maybe not using that phrase would be better for marketing.

http://libreoffice-na.us/multi-version/install.html

Any advice could be helpful.

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