Hi Everyone,
Normally this is a discussion I would love to be part of. I have been
really swamped, so this is a short summary. I've been using Ubuntu for
three plus years. I've been through versions 8.10, 9.04, 9.10, 10.04,
10.10, 11.04, 11.10, and now 12.04. I've seen very significant advances
in that period of time. I use Unity, and quite honestly like it. I had
been planning try Linux and migrate from Windows for some time before I
did the 8.10 install. I chose Ubuntu because I had read good things
about it, and figured it had a large enough user base and ecosystem, I
could find help to resolve problems. I was using Firefox, Thunderbird,
and OpenOffice on Windows. I did set up a dual boot, but searched for
replacement Linux programs to cover things I needed other than Firefox,
Thunderbird, and OpenOffice. I've ended up running Quicken and
Dreamweaver in Wine, as well as a small batch photo sorting and renaming
program, and a batch thumbnail/resizing program. I found Gimp to be
confusing until I found a Gimp light tutorial. I've progressed from
there, and really like Gimp now. When I first installed Ubuntu, I had
this great fear what if it won't boot, would it crash, was it reliable?
Since using it for three plus years, I really feel the Windows world is
missing out on a great operating system. I still need to do a few things
in Windows, but really hate to boot into Windows. I've installed Ubuntu
on about 25 computers belonging to myself, family, friends, and
co-workers. It is extremely rare for someone to call me to help them
with a problem. I've had minimal issues with hardware problems.
Don
On 07/25/2012 09:03 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I use MATE for my desktop on Ubuntu 12.04. It is the closest desktop
I have found to the 10.04 "classic GNOME" desktop environment. It
works for me better than Mint.
I do not know about "Fallback" since that name has not come up before,
but I may have seen it referenced by a different name.
I use 10.04 as my default desktop, on my quad desktop. I have a Vista
laptop that I dual booted for Ubuntu 10.04 and then upgraded it to
12.04 to see how it worked. I did not like the default desktop
environments, so I installed MATE on it for the default desktop
environment. I like it, but it has some of the applications in a
different location in the menu system on the top panel.
When I fix a monitor/video issue with my desktop system, I will
upgrade it to 12.04 and MATE. Right now it seems that 11.x/12.x wants
to default to the maximum resolution of the video card and not what
the monitor can do. I may put a lower resolution card into it and do
the upgrade, then go back to using the on-board higher resolution
video card. The best solution would be buy the 1080p monitor, since
that is what the video card can do as its max resolution. Maybe next
month or two I will be able to buy one on my fixed income.
On 07/24/2012 05:05 PM, Lynne Stevens wrote:
<snip>
I use Ubuntu 11.04 . . I started with10.10 VERY STABLE version and then
upgraded to 11.04 I am not going beyond this version as they have
the floating Icons and it take 2 more clicks to get a program open
than with Gnome Classic Desktop
Until they fix the next versions to have a Gnome Desktop I am not
going to even recommend them any more . . Mint and Fallback are piss
poor fixes for a Gnome Classic desktop . .
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On 07/24/2012 11:27 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
I meant to say earlier that often (although probably not in this
case) there is usually something somewhere in Gnu&Linux-land that
does do exactly what. The problem most people have is finding it
and it's forum or mailing-list.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Tue, 24/7/12, Lynne Stevens <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Lynne Stevens <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Migrating from Windows; take it slow
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, 24 July, 2012, 18:26
<snip>
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On 07/24/2012 05:58 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
The real problem for many people is the hardware and software needs.
I still have some USB hardware that does not work on Linux. No
working drivers.
Then there is the problem of having to use certain software, for
work or pleasure, that you either cannot find a good Linux
alternative or you MUST use. There is the option of WINE, but some
software seems not to want to work under that. Personally, I have
never gotten WINE to work for me, but that is just me.
I made a personal choice and used Ubuntu when I bought my last
"default" desktop. I had to adjust to some of the software
though. I still have the Windows laptops [single or dual boot] to
deal with the need Windows software. My Epson printer prints on
DVD media, but I have not found any replacement for its Windows
software to do that work. There is a graphic program that I bought
for Windows that works much easier that GIMP, so if I have trouble
with an image/graphics, I need to work on it with that Windows
software. BUT, most most of the work I do, Ubuntu and the free
software for it works for me.
So, even though I use Ubuntu as my default system, I still need to
keep Windows around for those things that I cannot find drivers and
software version for in Linux.
Even version of Linux differ.
The scanning part of my Epson printer does not work at all with
Ubuntu 10.04, but will work on 12.04. I updated the software and
drivers I use for it on my 10.04 system, but still not luck.
Something in 12.04 makes it work that I seem not to be able to get
with 10.04.
On 07/24/2012 08:37 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Virtualisation is good but if it's a question of drivers for a
particular piece of hardware then it might not work. It might,
but it if the underlaying OS can't see it then i don't see how the
virtual machine that is sitting on top of that OS is supposed to
see it.
It is possible to use emulators or even better is WINE (stands for
"Wine Is Not an Emulator") but that is a lot more sophisticated
and hence slightly harder to set-up initially for some programs.
The worst way around is to have a Gnu&Linux in a virtual machine
on Windows because then the stability of the unix-based systems is
sitting on top of the flakiness of Windows so you end-up adding
the worst of each OS. A dual-boot means each is directly on bare
metal so it gives a fair comparison. Windows inside a virtual
machine inside Gnu&Linux sounds like it's going to be ver stable too.
Ubuntu and Puppy and possibly a few others have a magic way of
installing inside Windows. It avoids 1 of the layers between
bare-metal and the OS because it avoids the virtual machine bit.
The Ubuntu magic way is called the "Wubi". Again you are adding
the worst of each OS and in addition the "drives" are really
compressed files but it's fast and easy to install and many people
keep using such things for years with no problems. Obviously it's
not made by Microsoft and so every once in a while someone has
troubles with Windows trying to reject it but that is fairly
rare. We used to get about 1 question per month that was
specifically about the Wubi and solved by moving to a dual-boot.
So, there are tons of different ways of avoiding wiping Windows
and that seems to be the best way to make the migration much more
gentle and less stressful. Throwing yourself to the lions is the
fastest way to learn to deal with lions (or die) but there is no
real need to create so much stress.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Tue, 24/7/12, Simon Cropper
<[email protected]> wrote:
From: Simon Cropper <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Migrating from Windows; take it slow
To: [email protected]
Date: Tuesday, 24 July, 2012, 11:05
On 24/07/12 19:36, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:41:59 -0400 webmaster-Kracked_P_P
<[email protected]> wrote:
Anyone who really wants to learn how to use Linux as a replacement
for Windows, try dual booting a system if you do not have a
spare one
to try Linux with as its only OS.
G'day.
The other option for the odd trip back to windows is virtualisation.
Mostly, you can tell the system to let windows use a device as if
you
had booted into windows
Regards
Keith Bainbridge
PO Box 324
BELMONT Vic 3216 Australia
+61 (0)408 522 706
[email protected]
Visualization also has the added benefit of a shared clipboard and
being
able to work on the same data at the same time (well nearly).
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