I think this is a very fair point. Versions of Ubuntu have an LTS version without stopping the development chain progress. It would be really useful to have a really mature and settled LTS version of LO that businesses could use with confidence.
On 20 September 2012 12:06, Pertti Rönnberg <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear mr Webmaster, > I agree with you about the risks with Microsoft's possible actions in the > future -- let us hope we are wrong. > > I am afraid you got me wrong -- my fault. > What I meant by the "break" in developing LibO, was that the LibO's > developers for a while should stop proceeding. > They must take one specific version of LibO (especially for Windows as the > main OS) and make it absolutely free of bugs and failures -- and plus that > make the documentations complete and understandable (and thus usable) for > ordinary non-expert computer users. > And then - after that - continue again. > > Why? Because I have been a Windows user since early -80 and installed > OpenO decades ago. > Last January this year I downloaded LibO (3.4.5) with the main intention > to use Base -- but experienced that much problems - first with the > installing & JRE and then with many basic functions and especially with the > embedded HDBSQL and especially with the quite horrible unlogical > documentations -- that I have given up. I am quite sure that I am not alone! > > Since January I have followed the discussions on this list and am getting > even more convinced that LibO is not really meant for ordinary people as an > alternative to MSO. It seems mainly to be a playground for a group of > open-source enthusiasts with a language of their own. > > Whom are the new features and finesses meant for, when there is no general > info about them and no guiding documentation until 3-4 version generations > later? Meanwhile they have only caused problems. > > When I download a what-ever program for my needs, I want it to work and to > work stable and smoothly. > I have no need nor time to struggle with different problems, to > investigate and test different workarounds -- nor asking for help and > waiting perhaps days for an answer that might help if I only happen to > understand the advice. > > Frustration can easily be limited by paying to Microsoft. > Best regards > Pertti Rönnberg > > > On 19.9.2012 21:48, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: > >> >> I have not bought any MSO past MSO-2003. I moved to OpenOffice.org [as >> soon as it read/saved .doc files] till LO 3.3.0 came out. Then I moved to >> LO for all my systems, Windows and Linux. >> >> Now I create/update the NA-DVD [http://libreoffice-na.us/** >> English-3.5-installs/index.**html<http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/index.html>] >> project and a 773,000 American Spelling Dictionary for LO. >> >> >> On 09/19/2012 01:11 PM, John Clegg wrote: >> >>> >>> Which is why I started migrating 3 months ago! I haven't had to go back >>> once. >>> >>> On Sep 19, 2012 4:57 PM, "webmaster-Kracked_P_P" < >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:webmaster@**krackedpress.com<[email protected]>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> No, it is not a good idea to take a break. >>> >>> But it is time to tell those people who do use MSO that they are >>> changing their pricing policy and almost forcing their users to >>> rent their products in the near future. >>> >>> It is time that the users start thinking about their long term use >>> of MS's Office and other business software. You no longer will be >>> able to buy their products in any reasonable price, for MS that >>> is, and not know if you rent it for X dollars for the first year, >>> it will not go up to 150% of X dollars in year two. You will then >>> have to pay their "ransom" or you loose the ability to use the >>> software on your computer. >>> >>> Then there is the multi-license discount - or should it be the end >>> of the multi-license discount. Businesses with 50 or 100 >>> computers will be required to but a single user license for every >>> computer at $150+ per license. The rental agreement plan is not >>> that much better of an option. >>> >>> So now you can say that every computer they own can have a copy of >>> LO for free. Every updated or new version of LO will be free, >>> unlike MSO's policy. No need to rent or buy anything office suite >>> package anymore. FREE now and FREE in the future. >>> >>> MSO just wants to force a user to pay them over and over for the >>> same software, for as long as you live. Then when you die, you >>> heirs will be forced to pay MS's blood money for the rest of their >>> lives. This maybe a good plan as a revenue generation, but not >>> for the users. >>> >>> On 09/19/2012 11:22 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: >>> >>> Hi LiBO folks and especially LibO developers >>> Microsoft's desicion to start renting their software puts >>> ordinary people (and companies) in a fortune with very >>> uncertain costs ahead. >>> >>> Should it not be now - if ever! - the perfect time for the >>> LibO devs to take a break in developing new features in the >>> LibO suite and from a certain version start making all LibO's >>> functions and its every existing feature working smoothly and >>> and stable and free of problems and bugs -- from the very >>> beginning: from installing (with or without JavaJRE), Base >>> and its embedded HDBAQL and its Report Builder, all included. >>> And to complete-update the guiding documents (esp. LibO Help) >>> to an good working quality level so it is understandable and >>> usable for every one. >>> Better late than never if you want LibO to be really accepted! >>> Regards >>> Pertti Rönnberg >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19.9.2012 15:40, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: >>> >>> >>> YES!!! >>> That is why I posted this info to the list. >>> >>> Now there is one more thing that it an advantage of LO >>> over MSO. You do not have to rent it. >>> >>> I do not know how many people would be comfortable with >>> renting software. I really would not trust MS not raising >>> the rental fee for year two. Then there is the issue of >>> having some code that MS will send to either give you >>> another year of service or to disable MSO from being used. >>> I would bet that there will be a "virus" that would be >>> made and sent out that will disable such a built in >>> enable/disable license code system. >>> >>> >>> On 09/19/2012 12:23 AM, Anthony Easthope wrote: >>> >>> This doesn't really seem to be a good move by >>> Microsoft as it would drive many people away it!. it >>> is such a great thing that Lo exists >>> >>> >>> Mirosław Zalewski <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]**>> wrote: >>> >>> On 18/09/2012 at 20:13, Doug >>> <[email protected] >>> >>> <mailto:dmcgarrett@optonline.**net<[email protected]>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Note, too, that the old argument, "I bought it, >>> so it's mine," will be out the window--if it's >>> rented, it clearly is >>> not yours to copy, etc. >>> >>> As far as I remember, it was never yours. Most >>> EULAs forbid e.g. reselling of >>> box copy. 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