Hi :) +1 Regards from Tom :)
>________________________________ > From: John Clegg <[email protected]> >To: Pertti Rönnberg <[email protected]> >Cc: [email protected] >Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2012, 12:11 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS raised prices so people will now start >renting their office products instead > >I think this is a very fair point. Versions of Ubuntu have an LTS version >without stopping the development chain progress. It would be really useful >to have a really mature and settled LTS version of LO that businesses could >use with confidence. > >On 20 September 2012 12:06, Pertti Rönnberg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear mr Webmaster, >> I agree with you about the risks with Microsoft's possible actions in the >> future -- let us hope we are wrong. >> >> I am afraid you got me wrong -- my fault. >> What I meant by the "break" in developing LibO, was that the LibO's >> developers for a while should stop proceeding. >> They must take one specific version of LibO (especially for Windows as the >> main OS) and make it absolutely free of bugs and failures -- and plus that >> make the documentations complete and understandable (and thus usable) for >> ordinary non-expert computer users. >> And then - after that - continue again. >> >> Why? Because I have been a Windows user since early -80 and installed >> OpenO decades ago. >> Last January this year I downloaded LibO (3.4.5) with the main intention >> to use Base -- but experienced that much problems - first with the >> installing & JRE and then with many basic functions and especially with the >> embedded HDBSQL and especially with the quite horrible unlogical >> documentations -- that I have given up. I am quite sure that I am not alone! >> >> Since January I have followed the discussions on this list and am getting >> even more convinced that LibO is not really meant for ordinary people as an >> alternative to MSO. It seems mainly to be a playground for a group of >> open-source enthusiasts with a language of their own. >> >> Whom are the new features and finesses meant for, when there is no general >> info about them and no guiding documentation until 3-4 version generations >> later? Meanwhile they have only caused problems. >> >> When I download a what-ever program for my needs, I want it to work and to >> work stable and smoothly. >> I have no need nor time to struggle with different problems, to >> investigate and test different workarounds -- nor asking for help and >> waiting perhaps days for an answer that might help if I only happen to >> understand the advice. >> >> Frustration can easily be limited by paying to Microsoft. >> Best regards >> Pertti Rönnberg >> >> >> On 19.9.2012 21:48, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: >> >>> >>> I have not bought any MSO past MSO-2003. I moved to OpenOffice.org [as >>> soon as it read/saved .doc files] till LO 3.3.0 came out. Then I moved to >>> LO for all my systems, Windows and Linux. >>> >>> Now I create/update the NA-DVD [http://libreoffice-na.us/** >>> English-3.5-installs/index.**html<http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/index.html>] >>> project and a 773,000 American Spelling Dictionary for LO. >>> >>> >>> On 09/19/2012 01:11 PM, John Clegg wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Which is why I started migrating 3 months ago! I haven't had to go back >>>> once. >>>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2012 4:57 PM, "webmaster-Kracked_P_P" < >>>> [email protected] >>>> <mailto:webmaster@**krackedpress.com<[email protected]>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> No, it is not a good idea to take a break. >>>> >>>> But it is time to tell those people who do use MSO that they are >>>> changing their pricing policy and almost forcing their users to >>>> rent their products in the near future. >>>> >>>> It is time that the users start thinking about their long term use >>>> of MS's Office and other business software. You no longer will be >>>> able to buy their products in any reasonable price, for MS that >>>> is, and not know if you rent it for X dollars for the first year, >>>> it will not go up to 150% of X dollars in year two. You will then >>>> have to pay their "ransom" or you loose the ability to use the >>>> software on your computer. >>>> >>>> Then there is the multi-license discount - or should it be the end >>>> of the multi-license discount. Businesses with 50 or 100 >>>> computers will be required to but a single user license for every >>>> computer at $150+ per license. The rental agreement plan is not >>>> that much better of an option. >>>> >>>> So now you can say that every computer they own can have a copy of >>>> LO for free. Every updated or new version of LO will be free, >>>> unlike MSO's policy. No need to rent or buy anything office suite >>>> package anymore. FREE now and FREE in the future. >>>> >>>> MSO just wants to force a user to pay them over and over for the >>>> same software, for as long as you live. Then when you die, you >>>> heirs will be forced to pay MS's blood money for the rest of their >>>> lives. This maybe a good plan as a revenue generation, but not >>>> for the users. >>>> >>>> On 09/19/2012 11:22 AM, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi LiBO folks and especially LibO developers >>>> Microsoft's desicion to start renting their software puts >>>> ordinary people (and companies) in a fortune with very >>>> uncertain costs ahead. >>>> >>>> Should it not be now - if ever! - the perfect time for the >>>> LibO devs to take a break in developing new features in the >>>> LibO suite and from a certain version start making all LibO's >>>> functions and its every existing feature working smoothly and >>>> and stable and free of problems and bugs -- from the very >>>> beginning: from installing (with or without JavaJRE), Base >>>> and its embedded HDBAQL and its Report Builder, all included. >>>> And to complete-update the guiding documents (esp. LibO Help) >>>> to an good working quality level so it is understandable and >>>> usable for every one. >>>> Better late than never if you want LibO to be really accepted! >>>> Regards >>>> Pertti Rönnberg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19.9.2012 15:40, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> YES!!! >>>> That is why I posted this info to the list. >>>> >>>> Now there is one more thing that it an advantage of LO >>>> over MSO. You do not have to rent it. >>>> >>>> I do not know how many people would be comfortable with >>>> renting software. I really would not trust MS not raising >>>> the rental fee for year two. Then there is the issue of >>>> having some code that MS will send to either give you >>>> another year of service or to disable MSO from being used. >>>> I would bet that there will be a "virus" that would be >>>> made and sent out that will disable such a built in >>>> enable/disable license code system. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 09/19/2012 12:23 AM, Anthony Easthope wrote: >>>> >>>> This doesn't really seem to be a good move by >>>> Microsoft as it would drive many people away it!. it >>>> is such a great thing that Lo exists >>>> >>>> >>>> Mirosław Zalewski <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]**>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 18/09/2012 at 20:13, Doug >>>> <[email protected] >>>> >>>><mailto:dmcgarrett@optonline.**net<[email protected]>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Note, too, that the old argument, "I bought it, >>>> so it's mine," will be out the window--if it's >>>> rented, it clearly is >>>> not yours to copy, etc. >>>> >>>> As far as I remember, it was never yours. Most >>>> EULAs forbid e.g. reselling of >>>> box copy. 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