Hi :) They might not be looking for it because they don't realise it's possible. Once you have done it, if you do, then people might suddenly wonder why it's not already up there. So copyright it if you can. Creative Commons have some good licenses that might be appropriate. http://creativecommons.org/ Regards from Tom :)
>________________________________ > From: Viral Orpe <[email protected]> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 17:05 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: Help request on CALC charts' features > >Hi Tom :) > >Thanks for bringing the copy-right to my attention. > >Although stock markets here are quite old - > > http://www.bseindia.com/ > "... Established in 1875, BSE Ltd. (formerly known as Bombay > Stock Exchange >Ltd.), is Asia’s first Stock Exchange and one > of India’s leading >exchange groups...." > >- compared to the western-world % wise very few people are acquainted >with them. I started but a few years ago. NSE is relatively younger and >more tech savvy and darling of the Foreign Institutional Investors (FIIs). > >Point is: As the copyright suggests, Stock Exchanges, Regulators here >are very lenient particularly towards "retail investors / traders" (me!) >But it is an important practice to go through the copy right notice(s) >of whatever you do. > >BTW, NSE looking for a charting solution from me is not happening :) >Thanks for the encouragement though. > >And interesting read on the LSE! > > >Thanks, >Regards, >Viral Orpe :) >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual Core E6600 CPU 3.00GHz >Memory : 4GB, DDR3 >OS : Linux Mint 12 Lisa - Kernel Linux 3.0.0-13-generic (i686) >LibreOffice : LibreOffice 3.4.3 OOO340m1 (Build:302) >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >________________________________ >From: Tom Davies <[email protected]> >To: Viral Orpe <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" ><[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 6:06 PM >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: Help request on CALC charts' features > > >Hi :) >The copyright notice is on >http://www.nseindia.com/copyright.htm >and says >"Copyright >Except as specifically permitted herein the Exchange is the >owner of copyright in all information featured on this website and no >portion of the information on this website may be reproduced on or >transmitted to or stored in any other website or in other form of >electronic retrieval system or by in any other form or by in any other >means. > >Visitors or users may view, print >copies in hard copy and download the information for personal, >non-commercial or educational purpose without in any way amending, >altering, deleting or modifying any part of the information and provided full >acknowledgement that the information originated from NSE's website is given in >the copy of the material. Contents may be displayed >provided successful linking to, redirection to NSE's website is >acknowledged. Information may be used for commercial purpose after >obtaining prior permission of the Exchange. Visitors or users must >inform third party that material may not be copied or reproduced in any >way. " > >So i think it's probably fine for you to use but just let people who access >the charts know where the data is from. If you are going to use the the >charts commercially then probably best to just let them know and ask >permission. Who knows, they might want you to put your charts on their >website! Not sure if they would pay you for it but if they do want your >charts then definitely ask for a decent salary! If they want to do it >themselves then perhaps neogtiate some sort of royalties. > >Goodl luck and regards from >Tom :) > > > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Viral Orpe <[email protected]> >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 11:33 >>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: Help request on CALC charts' features >> >>Hi Tom :) >> >>Yahoo screen-shot was used as an example since Yahoo is omnipresent. >> >> >>You are most probably right about the yahoo data but I don't think they give >>out any data >> >>- just charts with the limited options that are on offer - chart type , data >>range, and a bouquet >> >>of indicators. >> >> >>I take my data from the Exchange itself - The National Stock Exchange (NSE), >>India. >>And do my own calculations - in CALC - to extract some meaning out of it. >> >> >>http://www.nseindia.com/index_nse.htm >> >> >>Under the products tab one gets daily data called "Bhav-copy" (translates to >>"Rate Sheet") >> >>Around 7 p.m. every evening they diligently load the day's activities in .csv >>(which I use) >> >>and .dbf (? database) format which I just download in case one day I use a DB. >>Some data is available only for the day and not for past days, that has to be >>collected and stored >>away before it gets overwritten the next day! >> >>I am worried that one day these exchanges will start asking for money for >>this or older data. >> >>For example, a few years ago I think I could not get the London Metal >>Exchange' historical >>data for Copper, and Gold prices - to get a glimpse of what happened when in >>the past. >>I am collecting my stock exchanges daily data ever since!! >> >> >>Thanks for the concern >though, >>Much appreciated, >> >>Regards, >>Viral Orpe :) >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual Core E6600 CPU 3.00GHz >>Memory : 4GB, DDR3 >>OS : Linux Mint 12 Lisa - Kernel Linux 3.0.0-13-generic (i686) >> >> >>LibreOffice : LibreOffice 3.4.3 OOO340m1 (Build:302) >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >>________________________________ >>From: Tom Davies <[email protected]> >>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; Viral Orpe >><[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:56 AM >>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: Help request on CALC charts' features >> >> >>Hi :) >>Draw also has some sort of layers function but i'm not sure they are as easy >>to use as Gimp. Gimp is excellent but keeping the chart in LibreOffice >>increases the chance of keeping the information dynamic rather than as a >>series of static files. >> >>Lamp uses MySql (sadly i've not heard of anyone using the non-Oracle drop-in >>replacement called MariaDb) which is a database back-end. Could that pull in >>the data you use but do it automatically and dynamically rather than as >>snapshots? Base can supposedly read and present the data stored in >>MySql/MariaDb databases. Other >modules, such as Writer, can use various "data sources", i think the F4 key. >Can Draw? Can Base use the original data rather than trying to pull the data >into a MySql databse? >> >>All that sounds like a complete nightmare to organise but >>i've already been very impressed with how fast you've managed to pick up new >>tools and get them doing something intriguingly unusual. Getting good-enough >>results fast is great. >> >>There might be a copyright issue with using Yahoo's data but presumably they >>get it their original data from a public source and then maybe do a few >>actions to the data to present it differently? Can you get to the original >>source and do your own set of calculations or do you have permission to use >>Yahoo;s info or is that not a concern at the moment? (prolly best NOT to >>answer those. It's just something to consider) >>Regards from >>Tom :) >> >> >>--- On Wed, 10/10/12, Viral >Orpe <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>From: Viral Orpe <[email protected]> >>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: Help request >>on CALC charts' features >>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>Date: Wednesday, 10 October, 2012, 17:58 >>> >>> >>>Hi :) >>> >>>I was able to overlap two charts in gimp as well as calc. Hurrraahhhh :) >>> >>>* Adjusted axis on both charts - major, minor ticks to match each other. >>> >>>* Scales (rather everything) "Automatic" is unmarked - in case we need to >scale data ranges later. >>> >>>* Made the top one completely transparent before moving on top of first. >>> >>> >>>In gimp one can be sure that they don't "slide" - ever. >>> >>>Not sure if there is a facility for that in calc - don't really expect. >>> >>>Just pinging in case anyone has any ideas. >>> >>>Objects once placed may move - e.g. one justified left other to center etc. >>>- on their own >>>with some remote change elsewhere in the sheet. >>> >>> >>>The charts are now 100 times more helpful. No kidding! >>> >>>Thanks a lot >>to everybody who chipped in with their suggestions. >>> >>> >>>Regards, >>>Viral Orpe :) >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual Core E6600 CPU 3.00GHz >>>Memory : 4GB, DDR3 >>>OS : Linux Mint 12 Lisa - Kernel Linux 3.0.0-13-generic (i686) >>>LibreOffice : LibreOffice 3.4.3 OOO340m1 (Build:302) >>> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>>From: Viral Orpe <[email protected]> >>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:18 PM >>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: Help request on CALC charts' features >>> >>>Hi :) >>> >>> >>>I have added >the Yahoo finance image illustrating the overlap of the basic >>> >>>candlestick chart and line chart and bar chart to my facebook page. >>>Album: LibreCALC_Query >>>File: z.png >>> >>> >>>Hope that clarifies. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Regards, >>>Viral Orpe :) >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual Core E6600 CPU 3.00GHz >>>Memory : 4GB, DDR3 >>>OS : Linux Mint 12 Lisa - Kernel Linux 3.0.0-13-generic (i686) >>> >>> >>>LibreOffice : LibreOffice 3.4.3 OOO340m1 >>(Build:302) >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>>From: Viral Orpe <[email protected]> >>>To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 6:29 PM >>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: Help request on CALC charts' features >>> >>>Hi rost52 :) >>> >>>Yes, That's right. >>>That is the one I am using. >>> >>>Problem is: >>>I want to add some indicators on it too. >>>Like say the average of the past 3 months - which will be a line chart. >>> >>>I have uploaded two >>screenshots (.png) of the file I am using on my facebook page. >>>They are made "public" under the album "Libre_CALC_Query" >>>I don't use fb often so if >you find any trouble downloading them please do not >>>fight with FB. Just let me know. In all probability it will be some mistake >>>from my side. >>> >>>I might make it three screen-shots with one example from yahoo finance in a >>>couple of hours. >>>Got to move out of this chair now!!!:) >>> >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Regards, >>>Viral Orpe :) >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual Core E6600 CPU 3.00GHz >>>Memory : 4GB, DDR3 >>>OS : Linux Mint 12 Lisa - Kernel Linux 3.0.0-13-generic (i686) >>> >>>LibreOffice : LibreOffice 3.4.3 OOO340m1 >>(Build:302) >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>>From: rost52 <[email protected]> >>>To: [email protected] >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 6:01 PM >>>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: Help request on CALC charts' features >>> >>>Candlestick charts >>> >>>The wikipedia link was helpful. >>>I think that what you want to use is called in Calc chart type "stock". >>>There are 4 different sub >>>type shown. The second from left looks very much like the chart in the wiki >>>link. >>> >>> >>>On 10.10.2012 21:10, Viral Orpe wrote: >>>> Hi >:) >>>> >>>> Thanks for all the responses.... >>>> >>>> I have tried >>to respond collectively here. >>>> >>>> >>>> /* ******************** */ >>>> >>>> Miguel Ángel: >>>> ============ >>>> About overlapping several charts >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> I got similar idea but not overlapping in calc itself but using gimp. >>>> I came across gimp some time last week and it had some concept like layers. >>>> I have added a transparent layer and copied two charts - with same axis >>>> scales, >>>> ranges - on each layer. >>>> >>>> I am not very conversant with gimp though so right now I can only jump from >>>> one layer to another and see two charts one-by-one. My charts themselves >>>> have opaque background so transparency of layers is not helping. Still a >>>> work in >progress, I must say. Will keep you posted once I get what I need - >>>> first in gimp and then in calc. >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot for your inputs. >>>> >>>> >>Dan: >>>> === >>>> About using Databases: >>>> ----------------------------- >>>> Thanks Dan, you are absolutely right about wondering why not databases?! >>>> I was thinking the best way to do what I do is using LAMP - particularly >>>> since >>>> I have to ultimately work on data that is 245 days/year, 12 years till >>>> now, 1000+ >>>> entries everyday, each entry has say 8-10 sub-entries and at least two >>>> such sets >>>> of data! (Equity, derivatives, & Commodity) >>>> (365 - 52x2weekends - 16 holidays = 245 days/year!) >>>> >>>> But this is my first week with Linux! I can't possibly get into MySQL and >>>> hope to >>>> get it rightly done without crashing my system a thousand times. Right >now, I have this >>>> one machine working. I hope to resurrect an old system and do all the >>>> LAMP/ sys-admin >>>> type of work (tweaking!) on it before moving the whole thing to a powerful >>>> machine. >>>> >>>> The calc charting is a >>short term solution before I get (and I hope I get it ultimately) >>>> the whole LAMP thing going. (I had been using MS XP and Excel for couple >>>> of years for >>>> this purpose, I can't believe my own madness/inertia/procrastination!) >>>> In fact I have noted your suggestion of linking the database files to calc >>>> and then making >>>> charts from it. That way I can use a database even before I get in to the >>>> A & P of LAMP. >>>> >>>> Dan, rost52, Tom: >>>> ============= >>>> About Candlestick charts: >>>> -------------------------------- >>>> Candlestick charting is a Japanese charting technique for stocks, >commodities, >>>> currencies. One candlestick represents the Open-High-Low-Close values for a >>>> given interval. The interval can be anything from minutes to years but is >>>> constant >>>> for a chart. It is an excellent visual representation that is extremely >>>> quick to grasp. >>>> Inferences are made based on a >>single candle or multiple candles seen together. >>>> >>>> Further info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candlestick_chart >>>> >>>> Check the various candlestick patterns and their interpretations. >>>> *** The Japanese have shown great imagination in naming the patterns! >>>> >>>> Just to check how a candle stick chart looks, please go to yahoo finance >>>> and look for >>>> a technical analysis/ charting link (mostly you can just click any chart >>>> you see: NASDAQ/ >>>> DAX etc). >Choose "Basic Tech Analysis" under charts. Set the range to 6 months and select >>>> type as "candle". >>>> >>>> I will try to find a way to get a real life example .ods or screen-shots >>>> on the net somewhere. >>>> >>>> Steve: >>>> ==== >>>> The chartmaster software - was it open-source? >>>> May be I should search for similar charting software in open source >>domain. >>>> Unfortunately till now I have found myself to be "we didn't start the >>>> fire" types :P >>>> Someone, somewhere has always gone way ahead before me! >>>> In any case, if I find something open-source I can be sure of tweaking it >>>> (on my >>>> own machine) to my desire/ caliber/ patience! May be add a little but not >>>> reinvent! >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Regards, >>>> Viral Orpe :) >>>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Processor : Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual Core E6600 CPU 3.00GHz >>>> Memory : 4GB, DDR3 >>>> OS : Linux Mint 12 Lisa - Kernel Linux 3.0.0-13-generic (i686) >>>> LibreOffice : LibreOffice 3.4.3 OOO340m1 (Build:302) >>>> >>>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Tom Davies <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected]; rost52 <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:46 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: Help request on CALC charts' features >>>> >>>> Hi :) >>>> I assumed he meant a bar-graph but made it sound more interesting. >>>> Regards from >>>> Tom :) >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Wed, 10/10/12, rost52 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> From: rost52 <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Fw: Help request on CALC charts' features >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Wednesday, 10 October, 2012, 2:32 >>>> >>>> Could you possibly post somewhere an example of a candle stick chart? >>>> >>>> On 2012-10-10 02:52, Viral Orpe wrote: >>>>> Hi :) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your time and replies. >>>>> I could stop fighting calc to show me the chart as a single worksheet! >>>>> >>>>> I was charting the stock market data (available in daily doses to be >>>>> bunched >>neatly in weekly, monthly, quarterly, yearly batches) in candlestick form. >>>>> Both Excel and Calc do not allow any other lines on the candlestick >>>>> charts (moving averages, e.g.). >>>>> It robs the ease of analysis (and make me dependent on some websites that >>>>> offer it - currently for free :) but I never liked the dependence) >>>>> >>>>> I read >somewhere* what Shakespeare wrote of vaulting ambition :) >>>>> Since, I have no spur to prick my intent, as of today I can't start >>>>> vaulting onto tweaking CALC source code to add a new chart type. >>>>> >>>>> But, it would be fun and a taste + test of the Linux promise of free(dom)! >>>>> Hope I reach the promised land one day. >>>>> >>>>> Any pointers are welcome. >>>>> >>>>> again, thanks for your time, >>>>> regards, >>>>> Viral Orpe >>>>> >>>>> p.s. >>>>> *Vaulting Ambition :) >>>>> http://www.shakespeare-online.com/plays/macbeth/soliloquies/blow.html >>>>> >>>>> (spur: I know just C, data structures, and presently am learning shell >>>>> scripting. >>>>> Nothing about Linux kernel/ >internals and have never written software in a >>>>> professional team) >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snip <<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [email protected] >>>Problems? 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