Hi :) At my work place they have just run a 3 month training course in MS Office 2010. We are 2 months in and people still don't know how to select a printer or turn the machine on or off. The tutor has to do all that. I was also expecting a few to teach me how to place images to get the flexibility that LibreOffice gives me but they don't know how to get an imagine in let alone how to set it up or move it around.
One or 2 do have skills and 1 of those has talked about going on the course himself but for the most part people just don't know and have trouble learning. If only the course had been about LibreOffice they would all be so much more skilled and flexible. As it is they are stumped if facing something as different as MSO 2007. Regards from Tom :) >________________________________ > From: Virgil Arrington <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 0:49 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles > > >I tend to agree with Wolfgang on this one. > >I think the difference for Felmon is that you are the "master of documents." >Sounds like its your job to clean up everyone's mess and you seem to get the >final say on how the document will be structured. In the legal arena, it's >rare that one person will be the "master." Rather, you have a bunch of >individuals, plus their administrative assistants all adding to the >confusion. The "master" is the person who performs the final edit. > >The obvious "problem" is that there are simply too many different ways of >accomplishing a task with our "one size fits all" office suites. Want it to >work like a typewriter? You can do that. Want it to work like a typesetting >printing press? You can do that, too. > >In the world of DOS, we all had to learn how our programs worked. Then as >GUIs became popular, programs expanded to allow many different ways of >working. In 2007, MS added yet another method with the Ribbon. > >It would be great to use a more structured environment like LyX/LaTeX. But, >the learning curve there is so steep that I can't imagine any business >professional having the patience to learn it. > >Virgil > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Felmon Davis >Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:41 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles > >On Fri, 3 May 2013, Wolfgang Keller wrote: > >>> I never even try to share documents between different programs, such >>> as Word and LO or OO. >> >> I never even try to share documents between two users using both the >> same program *and* the same document template, if the program is Word >> (or LO /OO). With these applications, the re-use of content is >> exclusively limited to raw, unformatted text. Trying anything else will >> drive you up the walls. > >your walls must be very adhesive. I share documents with people all >the time because a couple of committees I've been on had me as the >'master of documents', that is, I would take other people's work and >bundle it together, edit and produce drafts for them to work on, then >I would do up the final report. they almost always are using some >version of Word. > >sure, there are problems but my walls are pretty footprint-free. but I >think this goes to show not only are there different standards of >tolerance for problems, there different magnitudes of problems, thus, >if I were dealing with 100 people instead of six or seven, it might be >a different issue. > >of course I'm not denying there are other solutions which are >technically superior in some way. but for many of us the situation is >not as dire as you paint it, walls and all. > >F. > >> > If you need collaborative authoring, you need something that >> *imposes* a pre-defined document structure (such as e.g. an XML >> schema, LaTeX document classes unfortunately are not as restrictive) and >> thus absolutely locks out *any* possiblity of "finger-painting", and >> preferrably something that also provides seamless integration for >> revision control systems such as e.g. Subversion. >> >> With LyX/LaTeX, structured XML authoring applications (or some document >> processing applications like Worperfect or Framemaker, provided the >> authors are perfectly disciplined), collaborative authoring is >> possible to a certain degree. >> >> With Word (or LO/OO) it is strictly impossible at any reasonable >> degree of efficiency. >> >> If there was a way in LO/OO to imperatively re-strict the user interface >> for a certain document to the application of styles defined within the >> document, this might improve things, but given how styles are >> implemented in LO/OO, I doubt that it would really work. Besides that >> styles don't hold structure information anyway, since templates aren't >> schemas in LO/OO. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Wolfgang >> >> > >-- >Felmon Davis > >You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. > >-- >For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [email protected] >Problems? >http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >deleted > > >-- >For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: >[email protected] >Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
