May should be renamed to LibreOffice Mail. El feb. 26, 2016 9:04 AM, "Tanstaafl" <tansta...@libertytrek.org> escribió:
> I think bringing Thunderbird fully under the umbrella of The Document > Foundation, and as a sister project of LibreOffice, is a fantastic idea, > it just makes the most sense to me as a formal and permanent home for > Thunderbird going forward. > > The fact is, in spite of the fact that Thunderbird development has > actually improved dramatically ever since Mozilla 'killed it' thanks > *only* to the fantastic volunteers who stepped up, its long term future > is in jeopardy right now. > > I would dearly love to see Thunderbird adopted, providing it the legal > infrastructure and resources it will need if it is to remain viable. > > As both a long time Thunderbird user, since well before it reached > version 1.0, and supporting our 60+ Thunderbird users at our office this > entire time, I would be happy to provide assistance on this list. Not to > brag, but there are very few Thunderbird issues that I couldn't either > solve, or at least point you to the bug # covering the bug. And since > Lightning is now a bundled Addon, people have to explicitly 'opt out' of > Calendar functionality, so the fact that TB has a calendar is now much > more 'discoverable' for new users. > > Anyway, I hope something comes of this... > > Charles > > On 2/26/2016 8:15 AM, Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi :) > > How do people here feel about approaching the Thunderbird people to bring > > them into the LibreOffice project a bit more? Perhaps they could become > > the official default email client? > > > > As most of you know - many organisations, particularly OpenSource ones, > > have departments/sections/sub-groups that focus on supporting external > > projects that are used within their own project. For example Ubuntu, > > Redhat, openSuSE, Mageia, Fedora (and so on) each have people able to > help > > their users deal with most issues to do with Thunderbird, LibreOffice and > > many other apps. Typically such people can handle quite a lot of issues > > but sometimes seek help from 'upstream' (such as to here if it's a > > LibreOffice issue) or/and invite the user to take their issue upstream > > themselves. Many of such people stay within one OS and help with many > apps > > within that OS but some support the same app in many different OSes. > There > > are even generic forums, such as "LinuxQuestions.org" that handle a lot > of > > different OSes. > > > > This mailing list has helped quite a few people with "off topic" issues, > > such as helping with other apps or choosing a good "gateway" distro (such > > as Mint, Ubuntu etc) for people who want to break free of Windows or even > > helping with quite detailed "off topic" issues in very geeky Gnu&Linux > OSes > > (such as Slackware). Also there's a good chance that some people from > > Thunderbird might start offering weeu's support through our support > > systems, such as this mailing list - if we were welcoming and supportive. > > > > How would people here feel about this mailing list offering support to > > Thunderbird users, particularly ones who use LibreOffice as their Office > > Suite? > > > > Another option might be for "The Document Foundation" to fully take on > the > > whole of the Thunderbird project, and bring in all of their > infrastructure > > and maybe kinda merge parts together where it's easy enough to do so. > > > > Personally i prefer this sort of approach The Mozilla Foundation chose > to > > split TB away from their web-browser (a good linuxy thing to do) so they > > could be more independent and therefore be used by people who use a wide > > range of other web-browsers - also helping those few Firefox users who > were > > using something else to benefit more from a more streamlined Firefox. A > > few years ago Mozilla decided to drop almost all it's support for > TBeaving > > it all to just volunteers. The TB volunteers have done a fantastic job > but > > it would be great to give them a new home so they can "spread their > wings" > > a lot more. > > > > To me it seems that either way, or something similar would greatly > benefit > > both (or even all 3!) separate projects. > > > > It at long last would solve the main perceived 'blocker' that many people > > seem to struggle with when trying to move away from MS Office = that LO > > doesn't have a drop-in replacement for Outlook. > > > > Although Outlook includes calendar functionality (and a lot more) it > seems > > that the most frequent problem that people ask about is just about > emails. > > On this mailing list it's even been suggested the TDF create a new email > > client, but i think most of us already use TB anyway and it's probably > > better to just use something that has a good, well-proven track-record > > rather than try to cobble something together from scratch. > > > > Some of us inevitably try to point out that there are many other choices > of > > email client to suit particular niche-markets - such as Claws (for a much > > smaller foot-print and thus faster on lower-spec machines) or Evolution > > (for a totally complete "drop in replacement" for Outlook in terms of > > look&feel (but has limited support and is not cross-platform, and can't > > even cope outside the Gnome DE so it limits which versions of Gnu&Linux > it > > can be used on)) and some really fancy ones with more project-management > > functionality. > > > > Such alternatives would still be available and supported but by having TB > > as our default it would dissolve one more perceived 'blocker' . People > > would no longer be forced into doing a tonne more research into which > email > > client to choose, and TB would be the perfect one for the vast majority > of > > them. > > > > Microsoft and Apple seem to be successful largely because they remove > > people's options and give them "Freedom FROM choice". The tech industry > > seems to value that above almost anything else. As soon as there are > > choices they start grumbling about "fragmentation", and that it's > difficult > > to choose "which is best" because different use-cases may have different > > requirements and therefore may need make slightly different choices. In > > every other industry monopolies are seen as bad - choice and diversity > are > > applauded as being "good competition" allowing "market forces" to help > > drive innovation, efficiency and all that sort of thing. > > > > In the Gnu&Linux world we fight hard to make sure there is "Freedom OF > > choice", but a lot of people struggle when given options - they just want > > to settle with what they are given and then grumble about it! > > > > Giving people a default and then allowing them to easily replace it as > been > > hugely successful for "gateway distros" and i think it would probably be > > great for us too. How do other people here feel? > > > > Also, just out of curiosity, do we happen to already have people here who > > help other people with Thunderbird issues in another forum or support > > network? We probably do already have some with some level of expertise > on > > this mailing list, or at least people who can quickly learn how to > resolve > > the most frequently asked issues. > > Many regards from > > Tom :) > > On 26 Feb 2016 10:25, "Florian Effenberger" < > flo...@documentfoundation.org> > > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > the following decision was taken on October 5, 2015 in private as the > board > > saw a need for confidentiality. > > > > It is now made public in accordance with our statutes. > > > > Proposal: Authorize Simon Phipps to explore Thunderbird options with > Mozilla > > > > The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat holders > > without deputies. In order to be quorate, the vote needs to have 1/2 of > the > > Board of Directors members, which gives 4. > > > > A total of 5 Board of Directors members have participated in the > > vote. The vote is quorate. > > > > A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 3 votes. > > > > Result of vote: 5 approvals, 0 neutral, 0 disapprovals. > > Decision: The request has been accepted. > > > > This message is to be archived by the BoD members and their deputies. > > > > Florian > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
