Looking at this again, when all the settings are set to "true" both the
default toolbar and the notebook toolbars are there, which sort of negates
the point of having the notebook bar.  Presumably the "falses" are there so
that the default and notebook toolbars are alternatives except that it
don't work that way.  I am still puzzled by the comment in the article that
there is a button in the top right-hand corner when the notebook toolbar is
used which enables one to get back to the default toolbar.  There is indeed
a button there, but it doesn't appear to do anything.  I wonder if there
isn't a switch somewhere that needs to be set to turn this on.

Graham



On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 at 08:41, Graham Luffrum <grhmlf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for this.  I tried it and got back to the default menu bar.
>
> Graham
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 at 22:50, Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 07/04/2018 11:47 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> > Hi :)
>> > Ok, last email on this for a while!
>> >
>> > This wiki-page seems to be about the feature but i couldn't see any
>> mention
>> > of ohw to switch it off
>> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar
>> > but prolly because i only skimmed it
>> > Regards from
>> > a Tom :)
>>
>> I just tried it, too, and had the same problem of switching off the
>> notebookbar.
>>
>> I found that there is more than one option for notebookbar. Some of them
>> allow you to retain the normal menu bar, but other do not. In my
>> experimentation, I clicked on one of the options that does *not* retain
>> the menu bar. Without the menu bar I was left only with the notebookbar
>> options and none of them included a way to get rid of it or get back to
>> normal.
>>
>> I was in Impress at the time. I tried opening up Writer, which came up
>> with the standard menu/toolbar. I then clicked on "Tools", "Options",
>> "Advanced", and un-checked the box to allow experimental features. I
>> then saved my choice, closed LO and reopened it. However, when I
>> reopened Impress, I was still faced with the Notebookbar even though I
>> had unchecked the experimental features. I was afraid I was going to
>> have to rename my configuration folder, which I really didn't want to do.
>>
>> So, then I clicked on "Tools", "Options", "Advanced" and then clicked on
>> "Open Expert Configuration." I am no expert and had never clicked on
>> this before, but stay with me on this.
>>
>> When the expert configuration popped up, I did a search for
>> "notebookbar". From within the results of the search, I scrolled down to
>> see, "org.openoffice.Office.UI.Notebookbar:Application["Impress"]" Below
>> that line were various preferences that could be changed. I looked in
>> the "Property" column and found several that read "HasMenubar". Some
>> said "true" for the value, but most said "false". I took the "true"
>> value to mean that the menu bar would be available with those particular
>> notebookbars. So I clicked on every preference line that read
>> "HasMenubar" so that its value switched to "true".
>>
>> After doing that, I pressed OK and restarted LO. This time, when I
>> opened Impress, I was again faced with the NoteBookbar, but the normal
>> menu bar was also available. I was then able to go into "View", "Toolbar
>> Layout" and turn off the notebookbar.
>>
>> So much for trying experimental functions.
>>
>> I will say that, while I was playing with the notebookbar, I didn't see
>> any real advantage to it. Under the default menu/toolbar system, the
>> user can find all functions through the menu and then use toolbars for
>> single-click shortcuts. With the notebookbar (like MS's Ribbon) the
>> menus and toolbars are combined, meaning that, for many of the
>> functions, one must use multiple clicks through tabs and options within
>> tabs to find the desired function. It certainly isn't any faster than
>> the old-style system, although I imagine that, over time, I could grow
>> to appreciate the organization of it.
>>
>> Virgil
>>
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