Den fre 6 juli 2018 kl 14:10 skrev Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com>: > Hi :) > A lot of normal users see the normal menu and icon-bar as being old and > arrive at the conclusion that LibreOffice is old. > > The 'new' ribbon-bar / Notebookbar will probably help reduce barriers to > migrating people away from MS Office. It prolly needs a lot more polish > because it's the first appearance of this feature. I've still not seen it > myself so i'm just guessing. > > The ribbon-bar in MS Office also does nothing to make it easier to use and > several iterations of it have just made it harder to figure-out where > things might be. It also seems to reduce the amount of space for the > document itself. However it looks shiny and glossy and kinda new so a lot > of people prefer it and think the clunkiness is their own fault for not > having learnt how to use MS Office more profficiently. > > Personally i prefer normal menus because if i click on the wrong one i can > just slide the mouse arrow along to open each menu in turn. Sometimes > something unexpected catches my eye and i maybe give it a try one day so it > helps me learn too. The ribbon-bar doesn't allow for such exploration. > > So i am glad the Notepadbar exists and i hope to try it and show it off as > soon as i can put Facebook aside for a moment! > Regards from > a Tom :) > > On 6 July 2018 at 08:21, M Henri Day <mhenri...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Den tors 5 juli 2018 kl 14:39 skrev Philip Jackson < >> philip.jack...@nordnet.fr>: >> >> > I tried the Notebookbar after looking at the Fedora article. It worked >> > just as advertised and I managed to return to default using the '3 small >> > horizontal lines' icon on the rhs of the ribbon. I was using LO 6.0.0.2 >> > (I think) >> > >> > I wasn't impressed by the Notebookbar - it seems to be variations on a >> > theme started by MS some years ago and immediately followed by some >> > other software houses just like it was the fashion of the day. The >> > introduction of the ribbon by Avid Sibelius raised howls of protest from >> > the veteran users of Sibelius - but that's just because we're mostly >> > very conservative and don't like change. >> > >> > Yesterday, I upgraded LO to 6.0.5.2 and took the opportunity to recheck >> > Notebookbar. Out of the 6 variants, the first 2 'Contextual Groups' and >> > 'Contextual Simple' don't show the little icon. The next 2 variants, >> > 'Tabbed' and 'Tabbed Compact' do show the icon. >> > >> > The last two, 'Grouped bar full' and 'Group bar compact' don't show the >> > icon BUT they do have an item at the far right called 'Menu' which has a >> > drop down which allows you to toggle on the Menu Bar - and to select >> > the different variants of Notebookbar. >> > >> > The number of combinations seem to be numerous. I may have missed a >> > combination but it seemed to me that although I could turn off the >> > regular MenuBar in the Grouped Bar full and compact variants, it still >> > appeared in the 2 tabbed variants. >> > >> > This ribbon seems good to pass away a few spare minutes. For a new user, >> > it may provide something of interest but I think I'll stay with the old >> > menu bar. >> > >> > Philip >> >> <snip> >> >> Agree with Philip above about retaining the old toolbar layout - one >> could, >> of course, learn the «ribbon», but why bother - especially when it is >> more >> complicated to use and doesn't seem to provide any advantages. But I do >> think it's worthwhile experimenting with and it's easy to get back to the >> default toolbar layout, så long as the menubar is shown (which it is by >> defautl ; if one doesn't see it in the ribbon view, click the settings >> icon >> (the three horizontal lines) at the upper right and check the >> alternative)) >> just click there on View → Toolbar Layout and choose Default.... >> >> Henri > > I suspect you're right, Tom - even if I'm not sure what a «normal user» would be - some people are indeed convinced that everything that is new is necessarily better, even if, as you point out «[t]he ribbon-bar in MS Office also does nothing to make it easier to use» - quite the contrary, for many users with whom I've come in contact. But I think the developers are wise to explore this path, in order to win over users who for some reason feel that such an interface is more «modern»....
What I hope they will *not* do, however, is remove support for the standard toolbar layout at some future date if it seems that a large number of new users are adopting the ribbon ; I hope they will recognise that maintaining the standard toolbar layout for us old dogs who don't always choose to learn new tricks to be worthwhile.... 😉 Henri -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
