On 12/12/2012 02:17 AM, Jake Carroll wrote:
Cool.

Thanks for the response guys. See in line:


On 12/12/12 6:45 AM, "Reuti" <re...@staff.uni-marburg.de> wrote:

Am 11.12.2012 um 21:32 schrieb Gowtham:

I second Alex's thoughts. In all our clusters, we only use h_vmem
The difference is that virtual_free is only a guidance for SGE, but
h_vmem will also be enforced. It depends on the working style of the
users/groups which you want to prefer to use. Is only one group using a
cluster I prefer virtual_free, as they are checking their results and
prediction of memory requests, but with many groups in a cluster
enforcing h_vmem might be more suitable to avoid oversubscription.
That is indeed our situation. It's very much a multi-tenancy environment
[probably about 50 or 60 users and 10 groups of therein]. So, to that end,
I should enable/allow users to make h_vmem requestable and set it as a
consumable?

Cheers.

--JC
h_vmem requestable and consumable could lead to other problems as we had in our cluster with jobs of about 200 slots. There is an overhead in h_vmem for the first node.
Lock at: http://gridengine.org/pipermail/users/2011-September/001636.html
When we introduced h_vmem consumable, all the parallel jobs had to define a bigger h_vmem as necessary. So we started to "waste" the RAM of the nodes. The use of #$ -l exclusive=true was salving the problem a little bit, but increased waiting time for large jobs. Now we gave up the use of h_vmem consumable and are using only virtual_free.


Regards
Udo

-- Reuti


(to indicate the hard cap per job) and mem_free (a suggestion to
the scheduler as to which node the job should be started on).

Best regards,
g

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Alex Chekholko wrote:

| Hi Jake,
|
| You can do 'qhost -F h_vmem,mem_free,virtual_free', that might be a
useful
| view for you.
|
| In general, I've only ever used one of the three complexes above.
|
| Which one(s) do you have defined for the execution hosts? e.g.
| qconf -se compute-1-7
|
| h_vmem will map to 'ulimit -v'
| mem_free just tracks 'free'
| virtual_free I'm not sure, I'd have to search the mailing list
archives.
|
| I recommend you just use one of those three complexes.  If you want
to set a
| hard memory limit for jobs, use h_vmem.  If you want to just suggest
to the
| scheduler, use mem_free, it will use the current instantaneous
mem_free level
| during job scheduling (well, the lower of the consumable mem_free (if
you
| havve that defined) and the actual current mem_free).
|
| What is the compelling reason to use virtual_free?  I guess it
includes swap?
|
| Regards,
| Alex
|
|
| On 12/7/12 2:31 AM, Jake Carroll wrote:
| > Hi all.
| >
| > We've got some memory allocation/memory contention issues our users
are
| > complaining about. Many are saying they can't get their jobs to run
| > because of memory resource issues.
| >
| > An example:
| >
| > scheduling info:
| >              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G) cannot run at host
| > "compute-2-3.local" because it offers only hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-12.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=12.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-6.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-10.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-11.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=2.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-9.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-2-1.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-3.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-0.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-4.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-14.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-8.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-1-6.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=5.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-2-2.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=12.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-5.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-1-3.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=5.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-0-7.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=12.000G
| >                              (-l h_vmem=24G,virtual_free=24G)
cannot run
| > at host "compute-1-5.local" because it offers only
hc:virtual_free=5.000G
| >
| > Another example, of a user who's job is successfully running:
| >
| > hard resource_list:         mem_free=100G
| > mail_list:                  xyz
| > notify:                     FALSE
| > job_name:                   mlmassoc_GRMi
| > stdout_path_list:           NONE:NONE:/commented.out
| > jobshare:                   0
| > env_list:
| > script_file:                /commented.out
| > usage    1:                 cpu=2:08:09:22, mem=712416.09719 GBs,
| > io=0.59519, vmem=3.379G, maxvmem=4.124G
| >
| > If I look at the qhost outputs:
| >
| > [root@cluster ~]# qhost
| > HOSTNAME                ARCH         NCPU  LOAD  MEMTOT  MEMUSE
SWAPTO
| >   SWAPUS
| >
| >
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
------
| > global                  -               -     -       -       -
  -
| >        -
| > compute-0-0             lx26-amd64     24  6.49   94.6G    5.5G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-1             lx26-amd64     24 10.71   94.6G    5.9G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-10            lx26-amd64     24  6.09   94.6G    5.1G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-11            lx26-amd64     24  6.10   94.6G    5.5G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-12            lx26-amd64     24  6.12   94.6G    8.1G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-13            lx26-amd64     24  8.41   94.6G    5.3G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-14            lx26-amd64     24  7.32   94.6G    7.6G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-15            lx26-amd64     24 10.42   94.6G    6.3G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-2             lx26-amd64     24  9.67   94.6G    5.5G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-3             lx26-amd64     24  7.17   94.6G    5.5G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-4             lx26-amd64     24  6.13   94.6G    4.0G
996.2M
| >    27.5M
| > compute-0-5             lx26-amd64     24  6.36   94.6G    5.4G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-6             lx26-amd64     24  6.35   94.6G    6.4G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-7             lx26-amd64     24  8.08   94.6G    6.0G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-8             lx26-amd64     24  6.12   94.6G    8.4G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-0-9             lx26-amd64     24  6.12   94.6G    5.9G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-1-0             lx26-amd64     80 30.13  378.7G   36.2G
0.0
| >      0.0
| > compute-1-1             lx26-amd64     80 28.93  378.7G   21.8G
996.2M
| >   168.1M
| > compute-1-2             lx26-amd64     80 29.84  378.7G   23.2G
996.2M
| >    46.8M
| > compute-1-3             lx26-amd64     80 27.03  378.7G   24.4G
996.2M
| >    39.3M
| > compute-1-4             lx26-amd64     80 28.05  378.7G   23.2G
996.2M
| >   122.0M
| > compute-1-5             lx26-amd64     80 27.47  378.7G   23.5G
996.2M
| >   161.4M
| > compute-1-6             lx26-amd64     80 25.07  378.7G   25.6G
996.2M
| >    91.5M
| > compute-1-7             lx26-amd64     80 26.98  378.7G   22.8G
996.2M
| >   115.9M
| > compute-2-0             lx26-amd64     32 11.03   47.2G    2.6G
1000.0M
| >    67.1M
| > compute-2-1             lx26-amd64     32  8.35   47.2G    3.7G
1000.0M
| >    11.4M
| > compute-2-2             lx26-amd64     32 10.10   47.2G    1.7G
1000.0M
| >   126.5M
| > compute-2-3             lx26-amd64     32  7.02   47.2G    3.4G
1000.0M
| >    11.3M
| >
| > So, it would seem to me we've got _plenty_ of actual resources
free, but
| > our virtual_free complex seems to be doing something
funny/misguided?
| >
| > I'm worried that our virtual_free complex might actually be doing
more
| > harm than god here
| >
| > Here is an example of some qhost ­F output on two different node
types:
| >
| > compute-2-3             lx26-amd64     32  7.00   47.2G    3.4G
1000.0M
| >    11.3M
| >     hl:arch=lx26-amd64
| >     hl:num_proc=32.000000
| >     hl:mem_total=47.187G
| >     hl:swap_total=999.992M
| >     hl:virtual_total=48.163G
| >     hl:load_avg=7.000000
| >     hl:load_short=7.000000
| >     hl:load_medium=7.000000
| >     hl:load_long=7.060000
| >     hl:mem_free=43.788G
| >     hl:swap_free=988.703M
| >     hc:virtual_free=4.000G
| >     hl:mem_used=3.398G
| >     hl:swap_used=11.289M
| >     hl:virtual_used=3.409G
| >     hl:cpu=6.400000
| >     hl:m_topology=SCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTSCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTT
| >
hl:m_topology_inuse=SCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTSCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTT
| >     hl:m_socket=2.000000
| >     hl:m_core=16.000000
| >     hl:np_load_avg=0.218750
| >     hl:np_load_short=0.218750
| >     hl:np_load_medium=0.218750
| >     hl:np_load_long=0.220625
| >
| > compute-1-7             lx26-amd64     80 27.83  378.7G   22.8G
996.2M
| >   115.9M
| >     hl:arch=lx26-amd64
| >     hl:num_proc=80.000000
| >     hl:mem_total=378.652G
| >     hl:swap_total=996.207M
| >     hl:virtual_total=379.624G
| >     hl:load_avg=27.830000
| >     hl:load_short=29.050000
| >     hl:load_medium=27.830000
| >     hl:load_long=27.360000
| >     hl:mem_free=355.814G
| >     hl:swap_free=880.266M
| >     hc:virtual_free=13.000G
| >     hl:mem_used=22.838G
| >     hl:swap_used=115.941M
| >     hl:virtual_used=22.951G
| >     hl:cpu=33.600000
| >
| >
hl:m_topology=SCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTSCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTT
CTTSCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTSCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTT
| >
| >
hl:m_topology_inuse=SCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTSCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTT
CTTCTTCTTSCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTSCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTTCTT
| >     hl:m_socket=4.000000
| >     hl:m_core=40.000000
| >     hl:np_load_avg=0.347875
| >     hl:np_load_short=0.363125
| >     hl:np_load_medium=0.347875
| >     hl:np_load_long=0.342000
| >
| > Our virtual free complex, designated as memory complex, relation
<=, is
| > request able, is set as a consumable and has a default of 2.
| >
| > I guess what I'd like to aim for is some sane memory management and
a
| > way of setting up some "rules" for my users so they can allocate
| > sensible amounts of RAM, that reflect really what the
hosts/execution
| > nodes are capable of.
| >
| > I've got (unfortunately!) three types of nodes in the one queue. One
| > type has 384GB of RAM. One type has 96GB of RAM. One type has 48GB
of RAM.
| >
| > Are my users just expecting too much? Are there some caps/resource
| > limits I should put in place to manage expectations or simplyinvest
in
| > some "big memory" nodes for really large jobs and make a separate
| > highmem.q for such tasks? You'll see above some users have tried
asking
| > for 100GB as the mem_free complex is used.
| >
| > Thoughts/experiences/ideas?
| >
| > Thanks for your time, all.
| >
| > --JC
| >
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