My vote for whatever that's worth is never to change the way "with" works, even 
in 3.0, or any method that is not widely considered "broken". The request feels 
arbitrary to me, and in that case I would defer to existing behavior. So I vote 
to just create a new method if that behavior is needed.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Jochen Theodorou [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: changing "with" to return self or doto

I have to confess I have been testing the waters a bit ;) Anyway, I am happy we 
decided on not having this in 2.5. The problem of course now is if we still 
want it as different method like doto or self, or if we really want to push 
this to 3.0 and what should I do with the poor guy from the pull request? 
Actually starting a 3.0 branch does not look right atm too.

On 06.07.2016 14:41, Canoo wrote:
> We can only make breaking changes where the old behavior was just wrong.
> The proposal would have been ok as well if we had started with it. But given 
> what we have now, it is a "won't fix".
>
> Cheers
> Dierk
> sent from: mobile
>
>> Am 06.07.2016 um 14:20 schrieb Jochen Theodorou <[email protected]>:
>>
>> We have an overlap of https://github.com/apache/groovy/pull/174 and 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GROOVY-3976. That I would like to 
>> discuss.
>>
>> Basically 3976 is about making "with" return the object it operates 
>> on. Right now we have
>>
>> assert 1 == x.with {1}
>> assert x == x.with {it}
>>
>> and after 3976 we would have:
>>
>> assert x == x.with {1}
>> assert x == x.with {it}
>>
>> The mentioned pull request goes with the same logic, but using a new method. 
>> My opinion on this is, that we should go for a breaking change in 2.5 and 
>> change "with", instead of adding another method on Object.
>>
>> What do you guys think? Do you agree, or should we keep the current 
>> behavior, should there be a doto method instead?
>>
>> PS: just in case some people are wondering... I am trying to get some of our 
>> old pull requests in, there are too many and keeping them open so long is an 
>> insult to contributors..
>>
>> So if I do not forget about this and if there are no reactions I am going to 
>> change "with"
>>
>> bye Jochen
>

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