Hi Andreas,

I think I'm one of the end-users Andrea refers to :) He built my prototype 
application a few weeks back (thanks Andrea!) 

I'm not a developer, but found Protege a great tool for experimenting. I like 
the fact you have everything in one place - modelling, inferencing, SPARQL and 
DL queries and lots useful plugins.

For individuals, I've been using a carefully formatted spreadsheet in 
OpenOffice to transform them into a Turtle (.ttl) file to import directly into 
Fuseki from the command line (using s-put) Turtle is a easy format to create 
this way.

It's a temporary solution, but a great way for a non-technical newbie like me 
to learn and experment.

Pete


On 25 Sep 2013, at 17:45, Andrea Splendiani <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> It depends on the use case, but I would say that my main practices fall in 
> two categories:
> - building ontologies (more or less large), not really individuals involved 
> (I use Protege).
> - building/assembling large graphs (which may include ontologies, but these 
> are classified first): it's a sparql thing.
> I didn't find a use case for classifying individuals yet (not saying they 
> don't exist, just they didn't happen to me).
> 
> Mixing UML with OWL is something I try to stay away as much as possible: I 
> don't see much the utility of it, and it's full of mismatches (you can have 
> abstract classes in OO, but what is the equivalent in OWL?). Plus I like to 
> have relations as first class entities when modeling.
> 
> best,
> Andrea
> 
> 
> 
> Il giorno 25/set/2013, alle ore 17:30, Andreas Grünwald <[email protected]> 
> ha scritto:
> 
>> Hello Andrea,
>> are you concerned about handling large-scale data-models, or about the
>> insertion of individuals?
>> 
>> We (at the Christian Doppler Laboratory at the Technical University of
>> Vienna) are dealing with the problem of visualizing large data models (OWL
>> ontologies). There is a tool available (UML2OWL - Fast Transformation
>> Tool<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fuml2owl%2F&ei=8w1DUsLaEorBhAePpICACA&usg=AFQjCNELQCEN00pg2nOem6-eHJqbhvC8HQ&sig2=reG3DhoATtsy5a_tYdt9GA&bvm=bv.53077864,d.ZG4>)
>> which allows users/developers to model data concepts in common UML class
>> diagrams, and then transforms the concepts into OWL2. The resulting
>> ontology is compatible with the OWLAPI, Protege, and can be loaded into
>> Jena.
>> 
>> Additionally, I am currently working on Model-Driven Approach (replacable
>> Java data layer generation for Protege and Jena) , including a Web-based
>> model editor. In addition to the (data) model editor, users will be able to
>> enter some parts of the ontology (instances) via auto-generated forms.
>> 
>> Would be interesting for me to hear some of your requirements. Maybe they
>> influence/improve our future work.
>> 
>> Best, Andreas
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Andrea Splendiani <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> to sketch something (especially for end-users) lot of people is using
>>> Protege. It gives you an OWL perspective, but you don't need to push it far.
>>> It's good to start sketching something.
>>> If you go big... then directly handling triples cane be quite useful.
>>> 
>>> best,
>>> Andrea
>>> 
>>> Il giorno 25/set/2013, alle ore 14:58, Charles Li <[email protected]>
>>> ha scritto:
>>> 
>>>> Hi, Ian:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you very much for your reply!
>>>> 
>>>> We are developing a product catalog application, which keeps descriptions
>>>> about product and product relationships attributes. This is an effort to
>>>> build from scratch, which means that we will let a group of users to
>>>> manually enter product information. I understand eventually we will have
>>> to
>>>> build a GUI customized to our needs, but is there any general-purpose
>>>> RDF/OWL tool that we can quickly leverage to start with. We are still
>>> fuzzy
>>>> on exactly what kinds of semantic functionality we actually need, but a
>>>> tool to help us to manually input RDF triples to a Jena datastore would
>>> be
>>>> good.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you again!
>>>> - Charles
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Ian Dickinson <[email protected]
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Charles,
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Charles Li <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but please allow
>>>>> me
>>>>>> to try:
>>>>> Yes, it's the right place! However ...
>>>>> 
>>>>>> We have a project that we are going to build the Semantic model from
>>>>>> scratch. Eventually we are going to use Apache Jena to query and update
>>>>> the
>>>>>> model. What tool(s) do you recommend to build the model from scratch?
>>>>> I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Can you please say more what
>>>>> you intend by "building a model from scratch"? I could take a guess at
>>>>> what that means, but it would be easier if you could expand the
>>>>> question. Ideally, give an example of what you mean.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ian
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Andreas Grünwald
>> Tel.: +43 650 77 82340
> 

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