Seconded. Sent from my iPhone
> On 2 Jun 2024, at 18:57, Joel McClure via Users > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ken, great points, and I wish everybody had the written communication skills > you have. The world would be a better place. > > Joel, K5KZX > > >> On 6/2/24 11:10 AM, Ken Hansen via Users wrote: >> Stories like this play in the back of my head when I hear hams complain >> about their preferred program not running inside Linux. >> >> That a distribution has an LTS marking does not mean that the user is >> expected to run the original, non-updated release for the length of the >> vendor's support. >> >> I am familiar with Ubuntu LTS which they release every two years, and has >> semi-annual updates (20.04 LTS, then 20.04.1, 20.04.2, and 20.04.3) before >> and after the next LTS release is delivered (22.04 LTS) and the cycle >> continues (See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases ) - during an LTS release >> lifetime (5 years) the user is expected to perform regular updates to keep >> the release current in some meaningful way. LTS releases are intended to >> appeal to the "it works, leave it alone" type of users, which is not >> represented by someone that wants to run the latest end-user software on say >> a 4 year-old distribution. >> >> Just because the folks that put together your Linux distribution decided to >> provide *security* updates for 5 years doesn't obligate independent software >> developers to support that 5 year-old distribution and whatever development >> libraries/tools you have on your system that may date back to the >> distributions release date years ago. >> >> I've never attempted to run Chirp on Linux, though I do use Linux rather >> extensively in my personal use (about half my computers run it), I simply >> prefer to run my hobby-related software on Windows. >> >> And from a previous post in this thread - is there anyone out in the real >> world paying a "per Kb download fee" to download software? And you need not >> uninstall your previous installation of Chirp to install the latest release, >> that is one of the very first things mentioned in the installation >> directions - the instructions merely indicate to need to not have Chirp >> running when upgrading. >> >>> Upgrading: You do NOT need to uninstall an existing version of CHIRP before >>> installing a newer one. Just install the new one and it will replace the >>> existing copy! However, be sure to quit CHIRP before installing the new >>> version! >> >> That is on the page where you click to choose Chirp-Next to download (see: >> https://chirpmyradio.com/projects/chirp/wiki/Download ). >> >> And this just rubbed me the wrong way: >> >>> Yes, Chirp is largely free to us the users, other than the cost of time and >>> effort to install and learn. For that we are all grateful indeed. But >>> wasting even "free" time does not go down well with many of us. >> >> Two points "largely free"? What? It is "free" full stop, no if, no buts - >> the time spent learning a software package isn't a cost, it's an investment. >> >> Second, its interesting that your "free time" is so valuable that you took >> the time to complain about the ONLY solution, free or commercial, available >> to program your radios on a Linux system (no OEM I'm aware of supplies radio >> programming software that runs on any Linux distribution), because you >> struggled in your very particular environment, and then flexed about your >> career spent supporting end-users to somehow back up your view of how things >> should be. There were some useful nuggets in your post, but your complaints >> got in the way of the good ideas and suggestions you offered. >> >> I'm not part of the Chirp team, but I do feel I am part of the Chirp >> end-user community, and in that capacity I want to express my unqualified >> appreciation for all the hard work they choose to do, to provide us with a >> very useful tool like Chirp. >> >> Take care, >> >> Ken, N2VIP >> >>>> On Jun 2, 2024, at 09:58, Dan Smith via Users >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> So, please, again, show some respect for those of us spending their Sunday >>> mornings trying hard to cater to a fraction of the 2% of users that run >>> older distros by not claiming a lack of "appreciation." It would be >>> *easier* to just say chirp "doesn't work on linux", drop the install >>> instructions (which have to shift over time because of changes in the >>> distros and python itself) and remove all the linux-specific bits in the >>> code which require maintenance. >>> >>> You know what hasn't changed in a long time? The installation instructions >>> for macOS and Windows :) >> _______________________________________________ >> Users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/postorius/lists/users.lists.chirpmyradio.com >> To unsubscribe, send an email to [email protected] >> To report this email as off-topic, please email >> [email protected] >> List archives: >> https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/postorius/lists/users.lists.chirpmyradio.com > To unsubscribe, send an email to [email protected] > To report this email as off-topic, please email > [email protected] > List archives: > https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/ _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/postorius/lists/users.lists.chirpmyradio.com To unsubscribe, send an email to [email protected] To report this email as off-topic, please email [email protected] List archives: https://lists.chirpmyradio.com/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/
