> Le 31 déc. 2020 à 15:28, Antoine Monmayrant <antoine.monmayr...@laas.fr> a > écrit : > > > > > On 31/12/2020 13:44, Samuel Gougeon wrote: >>> Le 31/12/2020 à 10:36, Antoine Monmayrant a écrit : >>>> On 29/12/2020 16:39, Samuel Gougeon wrote: >>>>> As well, i must confess that having a ALT+X or any other keys shortcut >>>>> able to convert a series of 2 to 4 input unicodes to the corresponding >>>>> character -- as proposed in wish #16505 -- would be of almost no help to >>>>> me, because i do not remember unicodes of any non-ascii characters. Who >>>>> does? Such a ALT-X shortcut is used for instance in the -- yet great -- >>>>> Inskscape free drawing software. Then, each time that a greek letter or >>>>> another symbol must be used, we need to find its unicodes in an extra >>>>> document (most often on internet). It's definitely not handy. >>>> I agree with you here. >>>> It is not a good idea to use such a shortcut that replicates what is >>>> already present at the OS level: on linux for example Crtl+Alt+Maj+u >>>> allows to type the unicode of a character (like 3BB for λ). Equivalent >>>> shortcuts exist under Windows and MacOS. >>>> >>>> From my personal experience, my preferred implementation is the one used >>>> by Julia: type the LaTeX macro (like \lambda for λ) then Tab and you get >>>> the unicode character. >>>> I assume implementation something like that in Scilab is quite a lot of >>>> work... >>>> Your proposition might be a good compromise between ease of implementation >>>> and usefulness. >>>> >>> >>> Thank you for your input and for supporting the proposal, Antoine. >>> >>> About any shortcut proposal, may i add that, yes it would be a more general >>> solution than the selected characters in %chars. But while getting an >>> external document referencing unicodes of some requested symbols, i don't >>> see any reason to get the unicodes and use the shortcut, instead of >>> directly copying the character from this external document and copying it >>> wherever it is needed in Scilab or elsewhere, as in a documentation page >>> edited with Notepadd++ for instance. >>> Therefore, the right external document to select is not a document listing >>> unicodes, but more simply a document listing characters sets rendered >>> without gif or other images. Before implementing this %chars, it was what i >>> used to do. >>> >>> I am not sure that implementing the Julia solution with LaTeX would improve >>> a lot the situation: >>> >>> first, we still have to remember a code, the latex one ; this is simple for >>> common characters, but get harder and harder for less frequent ones. While >>> a selection among displayed/rendered characters do not need to remember any >>> code. I have written 700 pages in LaTeX without wysiwym software like LyX, >>> and hopefully i had always a hand on "A Guide to LaTeX-2e" and its tables >>> of illustrated codes to get the right one. >>> Moreover, we can put in %chars some characters that have no LaTeX code. >>> Finally, implementing a LaTeX shortcut could not be used when editing the >>> documentation out of the console and Scinotes, except to render the >>> character in order to then, anyway, copy/paste it wherever needed. >>> So, to me, the main purposes are >>> >>> to stop having to remember any code for the -- say 500 or 1000 -- most used >>> characters, when no complex expression is required. >> Well, I don't see how this should work then. >> How do I select λ in your proposed solution? Should I have to visually scan >> a 500-symbol long list? >> I think I missed something in your proposal. >> >> to stop having to search in an external document when working with Scilab >> and possibly, to present classes of characters, what can help finding the >> required one. >> Beyong this current topic and the trivial implementation of %chars, it could >> then even be useful to have an easy way to get the LaTeX code from a >> selected character, instead of the opposite! >> > Well, here is my assumption (that might be wrong): most of the people trying > to use λ or ∆ might be aware that they are called lambda and Delta and from > there, the LaTeX naming convention is usually quite sensible: \lambda, \Delta. > > I think there is quite a difference between remembering Ctrl+Maj+Alt+u+03BB > and remembering \lambda+Tab to get λ! > For me, the second solution is way more user friendly... :-) > +1
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