Hi I guess we all know where you are comming from now :)
Hermod -----Original Message----- From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:29 PM To: Maven Users List Subject: RE: [SOOT] Maven IDE On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 07:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all > > I think perhaps you should look into what is going on with JSR 198 > before you make any commitments. My guess is that will be taken up in > most popular Java-based IDEs. No thanks, at this point in time I have no interest in JSRs either. The ones I've been involved with are a huge, inordinate waste of time. Again, much like Maven itself the primary desire is to make something useful and I think an OSS project has a good chance of becoming a defacto standard by virtue of its utility and not its "standards-compliance". There is so much crap to deal with wrt JSRs and even though Apache has made progress on the OSS front I'm pretty much of the mind Sun and JSRs in particular are a complete waste of time. I'v actually gone the other way in the things I've worked on and stripped out the use of JAXP, the Servlet API and any other huge fat APIs that are growing out of control in order to serve coporate interests and feeding the proliferation of tome-like books: "EJB before you turn 65!", or "JSF for those who want to give up their families in order to find the time to read this anchor!". > Hermod > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Bonevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 2:37 PM > To: Maven Users List > Subject: Re: [SOOT] Maven IDE > > > Jason van Zyl wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 19:19, Jeffrey Bonevich wrote: > > > >>Jason - > >> > >>Saw your post on Maven Dairies regarding Maven IDE. > >> > >>http://blogs.codehaus.org/projects/maven/archives/000276.html > >> > >>Just curious, what is a 'Maven IDE' and what would the relationship be > > >>with mevenide project? > > > > > > I've always wanted to write a small IDE so I'm going to make one based > > entirely on Maven. I'm leveraging several commercial packages in > > particular all the Jide Software Components and JGoodies. The JideSoft > > stuff in particular focuses on IDE components things like dockable > > windows and toolboxes and a slew of other components and the JGoodies > > stuff has superb l&f tools, great form support and good components as > > well. So with these two packages I'm hoping to make a very simple tool > > to start with for navigating projects and building them. Later I'll > > expand and add an editor (I have one based on the MIT lic'd version of > > JEdit) and various other things. All this stuff will be BSD lic'd and > > I'll give whatever I can away barring any restrictions imposed by > using > > the commercial components. But I can live with that because I want to > > make a quality tool, quickly, that works and there are thousands of > man > > hours in the two packages above that I just wouldn't be able to > > replicate. And I don't want to, I just want to make an IDE. > > Cool. I look forward to hearing about its progress, maybe even > contribute given that I am currently working with Gilles on mevenide. > > > > > Eventually I will integrate Werkflow and Drools to try and work toward > > making a tool to help with things like stringent release processes, > site > > management and whatever else I've thought about but forget ATM. In > this > > I will probably integrate some serious visualization stuff using > either > > the YWorks graph packages or the JViews components from ILOG. These > run > > anywhere from 3-6k and possible runtime/distribution fees so this > > incarnation will not be free. > > > > I have honestly not looked at Mevenide in quite some time but I'm sure > > we could share a lot or all of the model, but I have zero interest in > > SWT and even less in Eclipse. I'm an IDEA fan so that's what I'll be > > trying to emulate but I'm certain the entire model could be shared > > between Mevenide and my thingy. > > I think so as well. The way mevenide has been designed so far is that > it wants more than just an Eclipse/SWT plugin; it has a core of > functionality that should be useable by any IDE/plugin. We are > currently working on the eclipse-specific part of it, but regularly > contributing stuff back to the core if it has general-purpose utility. > For example, Maven does not incorporate any kind of change event > notification mechanism. I have created a POM comparator for detecting > project changes, not on the fly but at least when requested. There is > also a report finder component that Gilles has created that is very > generally useful, etc. I would say it might be very appropriate to > incorporate your IDE into mevenide, but you might not be able to go that > > way given the proprietary software involved. > > Eclipse vs IDEA? Sounds like vi vs emacs all over again... ;-) > > thanx for the update! > > jeff > > > > > [1] http://www.jidesoft.com/company/index.htm > > [2] http://www.jgoodies.com/ > > [3] http://www.yworks.com/en/products_yfiles_about.htm > > [4] http://www.ilog.com/products/jviews/ -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email with attachments is solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. Please also be aware that DnB cannot accept any payment orders or other legally binding correspondence with customers as a part of an email. 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