Thank you!  I'd seen [4] but not sure if I've seen [2]

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On 18/12/2023 21:38, mark.yagnatin...@barclays.com.INVALID wrote:
> I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me.
> Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not going to 
> promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT!
> You no doubt have GUESSES.  And your guesses are no doubt better than that of 
> most uninformed outsiders.
> As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I can't 
> even begin to guess how I would find out.
> Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the developer 
> email lists?
> Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker?  If so, how?
> Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next build will 
> be a beta?
> If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up?
> Are there major features that have yet to be implemented?
> Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy?
> Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to reserve the 
> right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's a policy to not do 
> that after hitting beta?
> 
> You get the idea.  As an insider, you probably think to yourself "there's no 
> telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion unpredictable things".
> But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months or a few 
> years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks.
> 
> Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :)
The good news is, you don't have to read the mailing list history, nor dive 
into the issue tracker, nor read the git history. If you're curious what Maven 
4 will bring, I can highly recommend watching Karl-Heinz' 
talk [1]. Don't feel like watching somebody talk? You can read about some 
interesting articles and documentation: [2], [3], [4].

Hope this helps,


Maarten


[1] 
https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMvS6QDE6q6Jf47vc58?h=tZSjeMLRMnL1sHS93b7vt02NnPNvJwK6-ee8iyLMi5Q=&u=https://youtu.be/fHeVMbQNbgQ
[2] 
https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMFnY8YJe5nk3fmTQtA?h=sQem5P67RYOhsiW9Hm_YeD-PIfsaReOsBbMYvlLdgRk=&u=https://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-multiple-modules-4.html
[3] 
https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM1HxHATbJYuZu8nDSJ?h=s87AfscrtMWpDN9FZxBHl_MjXK1i_ohGn2TWRZhFFZ4=&u=https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Build%2Bvs%2BConsumer%2BPOM
[4] 
https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMqbu7kcREgMq8aNCvW?h=2OV2Xb8OY1yozkosb4XLJzGzmH5eCx0rkkaq0thqbr4=&u=https://www.javaadvent.com/2021/12/from-maven-3-to-maven-5.html

PS. Most of the above was exactly one Google search away...: "Maven 4"

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> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM
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> Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
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> On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote:
>> Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? 
>> Where can I view its release timelines?
>>
> 
> We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline.
> 
> Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there.
> 
> 
> If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version available (at the 
> moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers list)..
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