I don't feel his response was out of line. It was not apparent that
you had already done some of your own homework in the initial email.
You asked a question which, as far as Vincent is concerned, has
already been answered by existing documentation. Since you said
nothing about having previously read the docs, Vincent simply felt
like a RTFM response was adequate. (Especially given the large "we
need more docs" thread recently.)
Here's what I personally like to see when someone is asking a question:
1. Know what you're talking about - check
2. Demonstrate that you've looked at existing documentation - X
3. Demonstrate that you've checked Google for a blog or email post
that might help answer your question - X
(ESR's "how to ask questions" has more comments if you feel like reading it)
Personally, I like to help people who also help themselves. Teach a
man to fish and all that.
Now, in your second email it sounds like you have already RTFM'ed and
still have questions. Instead of simply saying "how do I do this",
perhaps you can post part of your pom.xml and say "this isn't working
as documented, can someone help". And if we can't, or we realize that
either the docs are wrong or the code is wrong as a result of this
email conversation, then we can go open a JIRA issue for the developer
responsible for the module/plugin.
Just glancing at the EAR webpage Vincent sent you, it seems pretty
obvious how to get dependencies into a certain location in an EAR:
<build>
<plugins>
<plugin>
<groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
<artifactId>maven-ear-plugin</artifactId>
<configuration>
<defaultJavaBundleDir>/common/</defaultJavaBundleDir>
</configuration>
</plugin>
</plugins>
</build>
Are you sure you read this page, and at least attempted to follow the
documentation? Because this seems very clear-cut to me and certainly
not worthy of a full day of trial and error. If it doesn't work as
documented, then its probably a bug in code or docs.
(I am using the EAR plugin but have no interest in customizing my EARs
in this way, so I have no idea if this works, but the docs claim it
does, so I'd hope it works like this...)
Wayne
On 3/7/06, Brad O'Hearne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vincent,
>
> Thanks for joining the ranks of another RTFM-er, and using your
> opportunity to respond and provide help as a means to try to point out
> to all another non-doc-reading criminal.
>
> I asked my question after reading this doc. There was a reason I asked
> this -- because it wasn't necessarily clear from the doc, and unlike the
> past month, I didn't want to peel off on another day of trial and error
> and Googling to try to figure it out if someone else knew the answer.
>
> If you hadn't read the documentation thread -- this is another example
> that fits right into that theme.
>
> Poor doc + RTFM responses on mailing list == Guaranteed user frustration
>
> Brad
>
> P.S. What I asked for was an answer and help, not condescension.
>
> Vincent Massol wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Brad O'Hearne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: mardi 7 mars 2006 18:52
> >>To: Maven Users List
> >>Subject: Specifying the location for maven to put depedencies inside an
> >>ear
> >>
> >>Using the maven ear plugin, I would like to specify where maven places
> >>dependencies (jars) inside my ear file. In other words, rather than
> >>having my jars (not ejb jars, mind you, but dependency jars) placed at
> >>the root, I'd like them placed into:
> >>
> >>./common/
> >>
> >>so that all the depedencies reside there. Likewise, I need to be able to
> >>specify this classpath in the manifest. Can someone clue me in on how to
> >>accomplish this?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Sure, you need to read the doc! Here it is:
> >http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-ear-plugin/howto.html
> >
> >-Vincent
> >
> >PS: You asked for it! :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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