It's not an immediate help, but go back to your vendors and tell them
you want maven integration. I know many of them are working on it but
just like any product, customer demand can help drive it. I doubt the
big guys were first in line with Ant either.

--Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Marziou, Gael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:23 PM
To: Maven Users List
Subject: RE: Why Maven is Hard?

I also think that Maven is hard because it has not been endorsed by
large vendors like BEA.
BEA WebLogic comes with a set of ant tasks and conventions like the
"split directory" project structure.
There is a WebLogic plugin on codehaus that encapsulates these ant tasks
but using it is difficult because:

- the split directory convention is far from Maven's conventions
- the ant tasks (and so the Maven plugin) combine several phases of
Maven's build lifecyle: generate-sources, compile, package

So, when you try to mavenify a project that has been using these vendor
tools and conventions for years, you're going to have a hard time
especially because there's very few documentation available from people
who went through this path before or only failure stories.

I'd say that Maven is probably easier for projects based on open source
tools and platforms.

-- Gael

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