ok, will give it a go - any pointers on the API I should be looking at in
order to determine an artifact's scope? I'm not scared of trawling through
maven's source code myself, but a helpful pointer in the general direction
would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Ishaaq

2008/7/1 Stephen Connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I would think that you should be able to do that from an enforcer rule...
>
> Of course I have not tried...
>
> But if you need those kind of changes in enforcer, that would be a lot
> quicker to get than changes to Maven's core...
>
> Plus, such a custom rule would be of use to not just commercial
> projects, but also open source projects
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Ishaaq Chandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > that would possibly work if there is a way for the enforcer to retrieve
> > scope information from the artifact - is this possible?
> >
> > Is it also possible for transitive dependencies, i.e., will the enforcer
> let
> > me allow the same artifact to go through when using it as a transitive
> dep
> > of a test-scope artifact but at the same time disallow the same artifact
> > when it is used as the transitive dep of a compile-scope artifact?
> >
> > I am unfamiliar with the API for custom enforcer rules and the
> documentation
> > on the maven site does not give me the level of detail I am looking for
> in
> > order to be able to answer these question easily myself.
> >
> > Ishaaq
> >
> > 2008/7/1 Stephen Connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >> To my mind what you want to do is write an enforcer custom rule that
> >> checks all the compile and runtime scoped dependencies against a
> >> whitelist server...
> >>
> >> I'd have a webserver that can e.g. take a query of the form
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://someurl/.../check?groupId=____&artifactId=_____&version=_____&classifier=____
> >>
> >> and either returns TRUE or FALSE.
> >>
> >> Then write an enforcer custom rule, the config provides the base url
> >> to check against and specifies the scope to apply the rule to.
> >>
> >> That way you don't care what repository any dependency came from, and
> >> you just maintain your compile and runtime whitelist(s)
> >>
> >> BTW, you might want different whitelists for compile and runtime scopes!
> >>
> >> You might compile against a CDDL licensed jar but use a runtime
> >> dependency that is commercial
> >>
> >> -Stephen
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Ishaaq Chandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >> > Well, that could possibly work except that there is no way I can get
> that
> >> > internal locked down build to actually run - remember that maven does
> >> > everything via plugins - even the compilation is done using a plugin -
> so
> >> > all the plugins would have to be added to the closed repo - thus
> >> polluting
> >> > it with potentially legally incompatible artifacts.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Ishaaq
> >> >
> >> > 2008/7/1 Jörg Schaible <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Ishaaq,
> >> >>
> >> >> Ishaaq Chandy wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Aha! I think I see now why you think I have a special case, I think
> >> its a
> >> >> > simple case of misunderstanding - for which I'll assume all fault
> is
> >> mine
> >> >> > :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Locked down versioning is not really the point. Even if we had a
> >> locked
> >> >> > versions of the test (in fact we do lock the test dependency
> versions)
> >> >> and
> >> >> > plugin artifacts that does not really resolve my issue:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 1. I need to ensure that the build only uses legally vetted
> versions
> >> of
> >> >> > compile/runtime dependencies.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 2. On the other hand I can also have test and plugin deps (whether
> or
> >> not
> >> >> > I lock down their versions is immaterial) but my vetting process
> over
> >> >> them
> >> >> > are negligible and in fact, in the case of metrics gathering (for
> e.g.
> >> >> > code coverage etc) developers are actively encouraged to be on the
> >> >> lookout
> >> >> > for new tools that can improve the build process and QA. It is
> quite
> >> >> > possible and permissible that the latter actually have licenses
> that
> >> >> > forbid redistribution.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The easiest way to implement the latter is to point the build to
> the
> >> >> maven
> >> >> > central repo or an internal proxy of it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The correct way to implement the former is via a restricted-access
> >> >> > internally managed repo.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It turns out the two are incompatible because of maven's inability
> to
> >> >> > differentiate between the sources for differing-scoped artifacts.
> >> >> However,
> >> >> > I still do not think that these are niche, edge-case requirements,
> I
> >> >> think
> >> >> > they are quite reasonable. It just so happens that I do not lock
> down
> >> >> > plugin versions, but even if I did do so the problem does not go
> away.
> >> >> The
> >> >> > crux of the problem is that I want to proxy to maven central for
> some
> >> >> > types of artifacts and to my private repo for other types of
> artifacts
> >> >> and
> >> >> > I don't want maven to bleed dependency resolution from one repo to
> the
> >> >> > other.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Oh, and as I mentioned in passing in a previous post, we don't
> really
> >> >> need
> >> >> > long-term repeatability of the build - once it is released, an old
> >> >> version
> >> >> > of our product rarely needs to be checked out of source-control and
> >> >> > rebuilt from scratch. In the short term it is less likely that our
> >> build
> >> >> > will break because a plugin got upgraded - and even if it did,
> because
> >> we
> >> >> > use continuous integration it would quickly be caught and fixed.
> >> However,
> >> >> > this is really a side issue, if I had to lock down the versions of
> the
> >> >> > plugins to resolve my problem, I'd happily do that, but I don't
> think
> >> >> that
> >> >> > solves the problem.
> >> >>
> >> >> You might take a different approach using two different settings.xml
> and
> >> a
> >> >> internal-test profile (name it whatever you like). You can specify
> the
> >> >> settings file on the command line for maven.
> >> >>
> >> >> settings-product.xml:
> >> >> - define an own location for the local repo
> >> >> - define the approved company repo as remote repo
> >> >> - set the approved company repo as mirror for anything
> >> >>
> >> >> settings-internal.xml:
> >> >> - define an own location for the local repo
> >> >> - define the approved company repo as remote repo
> >> >> - activate profile "internal-test" by default
> >> >>
> >> >> If you run CI with settings-product.xml, you ensure that nothing has
> >> crept
> >> >> in. You may even run Ci twice, once for each setting to ensure no
> >> breakage.
> >> >>
> >> >> Your devs may choose also between the two settings, but they will
> have
> >> to
> >> >> put anything into the internal-test profile (deps, plugins,
> >> >> includes/excludes for the compiler, javadoc and surefire plugin) that
> >> >> depends on "unapproved" artifacts.
> >> >>
> >> >> - Jörg
> >> >>
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