I just want to add that one of the two founders of the MyFaces project - Manfred to be more precise - is a member of the JSF expert group. And I believe he will be bringing up the major issues we all have had in using and developing MyFaces there as well...
regards, Martin On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:32:54 -0500, Sean Schofield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It still amazes me that there is no regular mailing list for JSF. I hate > > those forum approaches. Email is so much more conveinient. > > +1 on that one > > > True, but had you not been diligent enough to look elsewhere (MyFaces) > > you mention you might have given up. I was in the same boat. JSF might > > lose some good people that just don't have the time or energy to look > > elsewhere. > > Agreed. I think this would apply most to issues where there are > significant shortcomings. For me, the javascript problem was very > significant shortcoming (the rest of my team was recommending we drop > faces investigation until it was resolved in the spec.) > > Major issues should be addressed as quickly as possible by the JCP. I > think they are doing their best to resolve them. Of course what > consistutes a major issue is also open for debate. > > I'm increasingly coming to view JSF as really just another building > block for a framework. Just as Struts (and other frameworks like it) > are built on JSP and Servlet. JSF is a great starting point upon > which you can build more sophisticated frameworks. > > If everyone moves in this direction, that would be a good thing. Now > we would all have JSF in common as well as JSP and Servlets. That > would make it easier to switch from one framework to another because > at least you have a common starting point. (Plus stuff from one > framework should be more usable in another.) > > Craig seems to be taking this approach with Shale. Recognizing that > JSF doesn't do everything he is building more on top of it. He also > has made a point about how there is no need to reinvent the stuff that > JSF manages to take care of for you. I think that is the key to how > we as developers should move forward. Embrace JSF and move on. > > I probably shouldn't speak too much for Craig or Shale though. I > still haven't had time to get into the details of his proposal (I am > still working on mastering JSF first.) > > > Rick > > sean >
