Ok I give up, my point (wanting just the tag without the overhead of the pieces I don't want) obviously isn't getting across, so I'll either have to end up including all of the shale core in my webapps or use some of shale source and not others and build the pieces myself or implement my own tag against commons-validator (haven't looked to see if the tags from David's book are under an apache-equivalent license or not)...
One question though, if I did try to use it against the Shale core jar (using just the validation tag and no other parts of the Shale core (yet)), isn't there a faces-config.xml in the Shale core jar that will end up configuring JSF extensions (and thus overhead like view/navigation handlers/wrappers?) that I won't be using and don't necessarily want taking up resources for no good reason (in apps that just want to use straight JSF for now)?... If anybody else knows of JSF tag(s) for general commons-validator use besides David's book and Shale, that I should be evaluating (vs writing my own) please let me/us know... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

