Ok, so then have a look at Exadel. You can create a skeleton jsf-web
app at the beginning when starting with a new project.

And sure, it`s not a need to use all the tools coming with Exadel;

Just use the plain editors  :)

If you are a bit familiar with maven2 (to get the myfaces archetype
this is also not a need)
you can also have a look at:

http://wiki.apache.org/myfaces/MyFaces_Archetypes_for_Maven

Here is described how to build a myfaces skeleton with maven2, without
any burden of editors.

cheers,

Gerald

On 9/15/06, Mosimann Matthias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear Gerald

Let me rant a bit.

Thank you for your answer. Well my personally prefered approach ist the buttom 
up approach (study first the tecnical things up to klick-klick tools) and not 
the top down approach (klick-klick tools to the tecnical things). It was mostly 
the better choose.

But some of the tools generate you some usefull project skeletons ... and thats 
what I'm looking for in a first phase as a JSF beginner. I'm not looking for a 
full gui support eclipse plugin, where I spend half of time klick my 
application togehter (I do not say this is the absolutly worst way).

In my personally view of JSF, this is one great goal of JSF, to have some cool 
klick-klick tools that supports the developers to create a web application with 
a gui.

regards
Matthias

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Gerald Müllan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. September 2006 10:42
An: MyFaces Discussion
Betreff: Re: Re: Start project?

Hi,

you can also use MyEclipse or Exadel, both have an license agreement where you 
can develop with a good environment under a free license.

However, it is not the most worse idea to learn JSF with the help of not too 
many tools.

cheer,

Gerald

On 9/14/06, Mosimann Matthias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> I hope I don't bother you.
>
> So what is then you prefered development envirement? Eclipse don't have any 
support ... well it has but it is not working correct and the plugin is still in 
development. I'm interested using eclipse anyway. Should I start simply with a 
dynamic web project?
>
> Regards
> Matthias
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Werner Punz
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. September 2006 18:00
> An: [email protected]
> Betreff: Re: Start project?
>
> Christoph Lassner schrieb:
> > Yes, it is possible, but connected to quite some bits of work
> > (because u have to use other components, etc.). You should have a
> > closer look at the components you need and then decide for a
> > framework. However, like I said, if you really want to change your
> > framework in some time, it will be possible.
> >
> > Regards
> > Chris
> >
> >
> Besides that there is an ongoing work to reduce the incompatibilities between 
the two codebases, in most cases it now should be possible to mix both component 
sets without too much problems.
>
> But you have to go for the nightly builds to be fully able to do it, the last 
stable versions still had major issues, which have been cleared up a few weeks ago.
>
>


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