Human beings are very flexible and adaptable, and we would generally get used to any type of crap given enough time ;)
How come it took you so long to master JSF, even after reading books and tutorials? Well, I can give you a very simple example: to render an html img tag, you have to use <h:graphicImage>. A "graphic image" as opposed to what? To a linux distribution CD image? To a "mental image"? Naming & API design is a serious problem, I'm not joking! Obviously having a component framework, any not completely idiotic component framework, is good. But then the details matter a lot when it comes to usability. Cheers, Bolerio ________________________________ From: Harlan Iverson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:18 AM To: MyFaces Discussion Subject: Re: New to MyFaces On 4/6/07, Jesse Alexander (KSFD 121) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: seems that mileage really varies We have heard from projects that they never would have made it in time without JSF given their scarce resources. Thinking about the bad maintainability of System.out. webapps I am HAPPY using JSF. Wouldn't want to go back to those old times. And using Facelets even the "component"-writing is really fun. regards Alexander I agree with this fully.For me, each project I did in JSF got progressively easier and more pleasurable to deal with. Despite the books and tutorials I read about JSF from the start, the only thing that really made me like it was actually working with it and learning when and how to utilize different parts of the spec. And I mean really LEARNING about it; not hitting a wall and giving up. I cursed and became frustrated, but I kept going. Things seemed impossible at first because I was trying to do them incorrectly. Several subsequent projects taught me about phase listeners, validators, components, render-kits, and when/how to use them together--all things that I knew existed from the start, but not how they really worked in practice. And because of that, with each new project I was able to make better decisions and difficult things became simple. I've done five projects in it, start to finish, and I still probably have things to learn. Harlan
