Paul (and All) --
As they say, "I feel your pain!" The removal of FX was a pain in the
behind for me also, and I am also moving over to Maven from Ant. I am a complete
amateur (though experienced, Java is about my 5th language.) Much of the more technical
discussions among Java developers go way over my head.
HOWEVER, I have been able to move easily from before to now. My
programs are almost exclusively statistical, and not really pushing the limits
of Java, which situation may not apply to many. I found the transition from 8
to Java 13 (AdoptOpenJDK) to be unexpectedly painless and the transition to
Maven relatively easy (for the most part just copying over packages and trying
to figure out where to put resources.)
And I am anticipating 14 soon.
-- Chris
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From: Paul Szudzik<pszud...@throwarock.com>
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To: Netbeans Mailing List<users@netbeans.apache.org>
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Sent: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 11:15:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Statement of disappointment
I have been a NetBeans user since inception. I am retired now, but
when I worked, I was one of the few people in my company that was an advocate
of NetBeans, and used it instead of the company line, Eclipse product.
Retired now for 10+ years, I used NetBeans to develop my products, and
really getting involved in JavaFX big time. I love the cross platform
capability, and use it on both Ubuntu and Windows. Raspberry Pi, no problem.
Windows, no problem. I loved it. Then boom, Oracle takes JavaFX out of the
mix, and NetBeans and I start having major problems. It gets harder and harder
to use NetBeans with it’s incompatibility with JavaFX without going through
hoops every single time we upgrade. I have a ton of projects that are a major
pain to go back to without having to dance on a high wire to get to work. And
I am still not sure I can do this anymore.
I have been a computer programmer, designer and architect for well
over 53+ years. I have see many systems come and go, many IDE rise and fall,
many languages surface and crash. The move to Maven is beyond my scope now. I
want to program, not to have to regenerate and rehash my build system every
release. I have tried to move over to 11, and mostly failed. I have too many
modules and programs in play to hack this out.
It would have been great if NetBeans had a seamless transition , built
in conversions for old projects to current format. Seriously, I would love to
be on that train. But nope, it seems too much handholding and dancing. I
currently have a half dozen active Beta’s that are stuck in a NetBeans 8.1.x /
Java 8 scenario, that I want to port into NetBeans 11.3 / Java 13+ area, but
really don’t believe that it is 1: Easy, 2: Lasting, 3: Enduring more than
another release.
I still have reported bugs > 5 years old that are not resolved.
I see streams of notes that are asking questions about compatibility.
( The latest straw is the Ant image ... ) I see how once the major players in
NetBeans get on a wagon, the trail off is almost impossible. If you’re new to
NetBeans, perhaps this is a good trend. If you have dealt with NetBeans as
long as I have.. it becomes more than just an annoyance. It almost easier to
find another IDE to settle in on, as the amount of work to transfer 100+
projects, probably more, from old NetBeans to new NetBeans is formidable.
Maybe a 3rd party can produce a product that 100% transfer old
projects to Maven.. I’d rather develop and code than mess around with trying
to make things move up the NetBeans chain anymore.. Coding is fun,
transitioning is not. I am 100% committed to JavaFX, I like the layouts, I like
what Gluon has done, I like the look and feel.
NetBeans 8 –> NetBeans 11+ –> convert ...
I would normally apologize for my rant, but nope. I feel that I am now
progressing backwards...
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