Agreed, NetBeans is worth paying for.... I am with Bill, I have not upgraded and I am at 9 similar to 8.
Rob -----Original Message----- From: bmelen...@hemstech.com [mailto:bmelen...@hemstech.com] Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 9:30 AM To: Geertjan Wielenga <geert...@apache.org> Cc: Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com>; Paul Szudzik <pszud...@throwarock.com>; Netbeans Mailing List <users@netbeans.apache.org> Subject: Re: Statement of disappointment All: Been reading all the emails on the NB migration. I do JAVA on NB 8.0.2 platform and have not upgraded due to the issues being address. I do okay with the NB 8. If this is so critical for getting program done for clients, then one should be willing to pay for the platform. See it as a business expense and write it off at tax time. Normally, tools are included in the cost of a job -so I'm miffed as to the expectations placing the onus on NB development to resolve things at no cost. NB is a great platform and this is merely a transitional period for it, so I stay with my current platform and wait until the dust settles --or pay for the upgrade with support if my situation changes. While NB has many issues, it will eventually resolve the main ones or become a dust covered relic with passing memories. Bill > Indeed, I think the approach Emilian suggests is the way to go. And, > indeed, if you don't want to or have the time to move to Maven of > Gradle, then a lot of modern options start closing off to you. > > But, on a different level, for a lot of users of NetBeans, the > chickens have come home to roost: a free and open source project, such > as NetBeans, should never simply have been 'used', it should always > have been invested in. For example, simply filing a bug and hoping > someone will turn up to fix it has never been the way open source is > meant to work. > > Nothing is ever free -- either you spend time (in understanding how > NetBeans works, for example) or money (in paying JetBrains, for > example, and then you have engineers creating IntelliJ IDEA for you). > Not spending anything at all and hoping things will work out for you > has never been a sustainable approach. > > Gjj > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 4:24 PM Emilian Bold <emilian.b...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Go and pick Azul Zulu' JDK FX package which comes bundles with JavaFX: >> >> https://www.azul.com/downloads/zulu-community/?&architecture=x86-64-b >> it&package=jdk-fx >> >> I used it for an older Platform app where I don't feel like >> configuring the FX mumbo jumbo. >> >> I doubt anybody can make a magic transition tools since there's too >> much people can customize... >> >> Given the resources available, things are as they are. They could >> always be better. >> >> --emi >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:16 PM Paul Szudzik <pszud...@throwarock.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > I have been a NetBeans user since inception. I am retired now, >> but >> when I worked, I was one of the few people in my company that was an >> advocate of NetBeans, and used it instead of the company line, >> Eclipse product. >> > >> > Retired now for 10+ years, I used NetBeans to develop my >> > products, >> and really getting involved in JavaFX big time. I love the cross >> platform capability, and use it on both Ubuntu and Windows. >> Raspberry Pi, no problem. Windows, no problem. I loved it. Then >> boom, Oracle takes JavaFX out of the mix, and NetBeans and I start >> having major problems. It gets harder and harder to use NetBeans with >> it’s incompatibility with JavaFX without going through hoops every >> single time we upgrade. I have a ton of projects that are a major >> pain to go back to without having to dance on a high wire to get to >> work. And I am still not sure I can do this anymore. >> > >> > I have been a computer programmer, designer and architect for >> > well >> over 53+ years. I have see many systems come and go, many IDE rise >> and fall, many languages surface and crash. The move to Maven is >> beyond my scope now. I want to program, not to have to regenerate >> and rehash my build system every release. I have tried to move over >> to 11, and mostly failed. I have too many modules and programs in play to >> hack this out. >> > >> > It would have been great if NetBeans had a seamless transition >> > , >> built in conversions for old projects to current format. Seriously, >> I would love to be on that train. But nope, it seems too much >> handholding and dancing. I currently have a half dozen active >> Beta’s that are stuck in a NetBeans 8.1.x / Java 8 scenario, that >> I want to port into NetBeans >> 11.3 / Java 13+ area, but really don’t believe that it is 1: Easy, 2: >> Lasting, 3: Enduring more than another release. >> > >> > I still have reported bugs > 5 years old that are not resolved. >> > >> > I see streams of notes that are asking questions about >> compatibility. ( The latest straw is the Ant image ... ) I see how >> once the major players in NetBeans get on a wagon, the trail off is >> almost impossible. If you’re new to NetBeans, perhaps this is a >> good trend. >> If >> you have dealt with NetBeans as long as I have.. it becomes more than >> just an annoyance. It almost easier to find another IDE to settle in >> on, as the amount of work to transfer 100+ projects, probably more, >> from old NetBeans to new NetBeans is formidable. >> > >> > Maybe a 3rd party can produce a product that 100% transfer old >> projects to Maven.. I’d rather develop and code than mess around >> with trying to make things move up the NetBeans chain anymore.. >> Coding is fun, transitioning is not. I am 100% committed to JavaFX, I >> like the layouts, I like what Gluon has done, I like the look and >> feel. >> > >> > NetBeans 8 –> NetBeans 11+ –> convert ... >> > >> > I would normally apologize for my rant, but nope. I feel that I >> > am >> now progressing backwards... >> > >> > >> > >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org >> >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists >> >> > Bill Melendez, Founder & CEO, MBA HEMS Technology www.hemstech.com www.linkedin.com/in/billmelendez bmelen...@hemstech.com 817-932-0047 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@netbeans.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@netbeans.apache.org For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
