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Take a deep breath and try to understand the world around you... Am 15.02.2018 um 13:40 schrieb Winter: > This is inappropriate. My comments may have been rude. But I am not > your employ. > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: Google Apps > Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 09:57:15 +0000 > From: Brian Barker <[email protected]> > To: Gary Leroy Wampnar <[email protected]> > > > > At 15:31 14/02/2018 -0600, you wrote: >> This is why after years I have now stopped using Open Office and >> switched to Google Apps. > > Ah, so you have been using it successfully for years? > >> I am a programmer. > > Good: so you'll know what you are doing, then. > >> I quickly dump software that does not comply to User Ergonomics. > > Er, hold on: you are dumping OpenOffice "quickly" after using it for > years? That makes no sense at all! > >> It should be simple and intuitive. Especially the simplest task. > > Yes, matters should be made as simple as passable, but that is by no > means always trivial. If I buy a piano, I don't expect playing the > Moonlight Sonata to come easily: I have to learn how to operate the > instrument. If I buy a car, I don't expect to be able to complete the > "simplest task" of driving to work without extensive lessons and > setting up fuel, licensing, insurance, and so on. Using computer > software is similar: you need to expect to learn how to drive it > before you can be proficient. It's very difficult to see how you are > a programmer but apparently do not appreciate this simple idea. > >> All I wanted was to set up a budget like I have many time in Open >> Office but the Sum command now does not sum. > > Well, it does, of course - and you know it does, as you have used it > before. Nothing has changed. Simple logic implies that you are now > simply doing something different to create your problem, although you > may well not recognise this. > >> Why? I read online suggestions which mentioned it could have >> something to do with the value being treated as Text with no >> explanation to convert them to numerical values. > > If you don't understand this distinction, you are very much a > beginner at using spreadsheets - and you will find the same problem > whichever spreadsheet software you choose to use - yes, even > Google's. What you see is *not* what you get in spreadsheets, and > never has been: > > o What is displayed in a spreadsheet cell is a *version* of the value > hidden in that cell, according to the formatting of that cell - which > you may have set explicitly or may have been determined from what you > typed or pasted. For your spreadsheets to work, you need to be aware > of the format type of all your data. > > o When you type values into a spreadsheet, they are - possibly > invisibly - edited by the software to determine what is actually > stored in the cell. This is a convenience, in fact, but will confuse > you if you have not learned the basics about spreadsheets. (You will > not be the first person to make this mistake.) > >> It seemed quickly much easier to sign in to Google. Goodbye. > > You are very welcome, of course, to choose to use any alternative > software you wish. Yes, really. But if speed means to you avoiding > learning about the tool and about your own mistakes, you will find > the same problems in the future. Google's offering will behave in a > very similar way; if it didn't, users would be complaining! In > particular, if you enter your data there *in exactly the same way* > (do not confuse typing with pasting, for example), you will see the > same results there. Why not - instead of complaining that OpenOffice > doesn't work - ask about your problem on the mailing list and learn > the solution? > >> I have little patience when companies make simple tasks complicated. > > Again, this makes no sense: > o You cannot say that you have "little patience" with something after > claiming to have used it for years! > o Surely you know enough about OpenOffice to appreciate that it is > created by a cooperative venture, not a "company"? > o Like most things, when you understand it, you will find the way > spreadsheets work a convenience, not a complication. > > OK: now to your problem. If you have managed to enter values as text > instead of as numbers, you will not expect to be able to calculate > with them. But there are easy solutions. You may need to set the > format of cells before you enter data (though you probably don't, in > fact). If you have entered values inappropriately, there are easy > ways to correct your mistake. You can find these in the help text, in > the documentation available from the web site (you have read this, > haven't you?), through a web search, or by asking on this mailing list. > > It always amuses me when people making such claims choose to > advertise them to hundreds, perhaps a thousand or two, of fellow > users around the world, most of whom will understand the software > well enough not to find the same problems. Why not describe your > problem instead and obtain help? > > I trust this helps. > > Brian Barker - privately > >
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