On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 12:04 -0600, Doug Thompson wrote: > G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 07:39 -0600, Doug Thompson wrote: > > > >>G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > >> > >>>On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 19:03 -0400, Paul B. wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>G. Roderick Singleton wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 13:12 -0500, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>It would be very helpful if all participants in this listserv that have > >>>>>>used > >>>>>>their printers and OOo to print envelopes describe how they set up OOo > >>>>>>to do > >>>>>>it. The collection of these descriptions should be plugged into the > >>>>>>documentation for OOo. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Please review pages 168-169 of > >>>>>http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/OOo1.x.x/user_guide.pdf > >>>>> > >>>>>How can this section be improved? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Try as I have - and I've spent over one hour this week on it - > >>>>the envelope function simply will not print landscape on my > >>>>Lexmark 6170. I've tried fooling it by speccing portrait, but > >>>>nothing works. This has been true of every version of OOo that > >>>>I've ever tried it on. > >>>> > >>>>Paul > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>I hear you but I do not understand. Let me see if I interpret correctly: > >>> > >>> 1. You have a printer that will take envelopes with the long edge > >>> entering the printer and the short edges in the tray. > >>> 2. You have set the printer properties in OOo > >>> 3. You have set the envelope up the way you want > >>> > >>>Printing of the envelope should be working. > >>> > >> > >>Bingo! It doesn't. > >>There is a fundamental flaw in the workings of envelope printing in OOo > >>and it has been present since early days. My first use of OOo and > >>filing of an issue was with OOo 1.0.3 in 2003 and nothing has truly changed. > >>In my case, I use an HP4000 with Win98 or SuSE9.1 (Used to be RH9). OOo > >>is incapable of dealing with the center fed envelope from the manual > >>tray on this printer. One would think that it all that is necessary is > >> to reposition the frames for the return address and addressee fields > >>so that they print in the proper regions on the actual envelope. Hah! > >>As soon as I do that, then OOo starts printing across the envelope in > >>portrait mode and will not change back until I dump that template and > >>start all over again. I am SAFT (sick and <bleep>ing tired) of > >>submitting issues on matters like this only to have them come back as > >>"Can not duplicate." I invite any developer to visit and observe this > >>behavior on all three of my computers. I suspect they can accomplish > >>the same result by merely testing with an HP4000, but that course of > >>action seems too obvious. > >> > >>Gerry, you asked earlier in this thread what must be done to the manual > >>to help solve the problems people are having, but that addresses only > >>the symptom and not the disease. As I have said in the issues I have > >>filed, until OOo reliably, consistently, and intuitively handles > >>envelope printing, it is nearly worthless as a business tool to > >>thousands, if not millions, of potential users. Because I can > >>accomplish over 90% of my mailing using window envelopes and my > >>accounting program, I work around it. If it weren't for my personal > >>bias against "The Beast" and a high threshold for pain, I would have > >>thrown in the towel long ago. </rant> > >> > > > > What's sad about this is that I CANNOT reproduce your problem. I wish I > > could so I can see what's wrong. The only complaint I have is that 1.1.x > > does not always present US envelope sizes whereas 1.9m8+ does. > > > > If you have opened an issue or know of an existing one, please publish > > the number. This may be an again but it won't hurt :-) > > > > As you can guess I am concerned that procedures for envelopes are > > reasonable and correct in the docs in the documentation project. > > > Well I can sure reproduce it and just did it again, this time taking > copious screen shots and scanning the printed envelope(s), for what > that's worth. I am rolling it all up into an OOo document, but right > now have to go take of some work matters, so it won't be finished until > this evening. Between now and then, if you want to receive it directly, > let me know; and if there is an active and current issue that someone > would like me to append it to, I'll be happy to do it. However, I won't > be holding my breath awaiting a fix. > > Doug >
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