In a message dated 2009.08.15 14:20 -0500, Brian Barker wrote:
Ah! Thanks! Then
"Illustration Number range Illustration: "
becomes, on instantiation,
"Illustration <Illustration number>: "
That's easy enough to understand. But what becomes of " range
Illustration"?
As I mentioned before, the whole of "Number range Illustration" is the
name of the field.
Sorry I did not pick up on that properly before. Of course every word
processor must keep fields to enumerate things like illustrations, but I
guess I'm so used to the user interface *not* showing the field name (that
is, simply showing the result for that particular entity in the range) that
I suffered a little cognitive dissonance at seeing the field name (for the
entity number) rather than the entity number - probably mostly because I
don't see any advantage to it, and it violates a common programming
principle of "information hiding" (to simplify code maintenance). Now that
I finally get your point, I will keep that in mind. Thanks.
I still don't see how to do that - how to select the text to edit.
Providing you don't have the picture selected (or even have the picture
selected but not its caption), there's no problem, I think. Click
somewhere else so that you see no green handles. Then go to the caption
text.
Here we come to what has taken me so long to reply to your advice: Where
before I could not select just the picture (without the frame), now I can
*only* select the picture, and cannot see how to select the frame. Of
course that takes care of my initial problem: I can now edit the caption.
[And, BTW, with whatever changed, I now have essentially the "Optimal Wrap"
(figure to right; text wrapping to the left of the figure) that I was
seeking before - and I have no idea how that changed either. (I say
"essentially" in the last sentence because the text spacing is not working,
and because specifying non-zero spacing has no effect on the text spacing,
but splits the caption between top and bottom - totally weird.)]
However, it's so frustrating that I cannot figure out how to reproduce the
behavior. I appreciate your help, but this seems just so buggy that I may
just have to give up (again) on OO. Where before any click in the picture
or caption selected a unified "frame", now I can no longer see how to select
that frame; only the picture or the caption. Where before I put my
questions regarding picture caption and text wrap into two different threads
(because I thought them unrelated), now both seem to be fundamentally
related to a question I asked in the other thread (and which, in an
otherwise excellent response, you ignored):
... conceptually:
Within the text, one selects "Insert|Picture", not "Insert|Frame". Does the
application of a caption turn a picture into a frame? If so, how can the picture be subsequently
selected apart from the frame?
Probably if I understood that conceptual context, the implementation would
seem, if not obvious, at least motivated (and I might be able to reproduce
"anomalous" behavior). But I don't have the conceptual framework (if one
exists) in mind, and again I'm not sure where to find that background.
But, thank you for getting me this far,
John
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