On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Harold Fuchs < [email protected]> wrote:
> Twayne wrote: > >> "Harold Fuchs" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:[email protected]<news%[email protected]> >> >> >>> Nom Mitchell wrote: >>> >>> >>>> How do I address an envelope? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> See >>> >>> >>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Print_envelopes_from_db >>> >>> http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid39_gci1146815,00.html >>> http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/2005/12/printing_envelo.html >>> >>> among many others. >>> >>> >> >> Harold, I hold you in the highest esteem, and thank you for posting these >> links. There are many good ones around, the best of course, written by me< >> G >! But with all due respect to you and anyone OO.o related in this area: >> >> WHY does the OO.o method remain so crude?!?! At the risk of sounding like >> I'm shooting the messenger, which I specifically am NOT doing, I feel forced >> to state the following to anyone that will listen: >> >> One of the reasons I keep Word 2002 around is for envelopes. Although I >> can now create envelopes in Writer that are good, and functional, it just is >> NOT worth my time to do that much fiddling when I know other applications >> make it look like child's play. If I'm on a roll (and on the clock) I'll be >> darned if I want to stop and go through all that rigamorole when I know that >> for a few seconds worth of defining the size of the envelope and and adding >> the return address/address to it are all that's needed in a different >> application. >> And since I already have that application, just why should I then be >> bothering with OO.o? I'm a secretary doing a mailing for my boss. OO.o >> just wasted a lot of my time trying to figure out how to do an envelope just >> because it doesn't feed into the tray like Help demonstrates. Hmm, >> WordPerfect handled that well; I'll just take all this back over to >> WordPerfect and do it from there. OO.o doesn't look very good to me. Even >> though I've gone no further than write a letter and needed to feed a #10 >> envelope differently than the demo shows. Back to WP or Word, or whatever. >> >> How many people have "tried it out", only to go away because they couldn't >> do something so apparently simple as create a proper envelope? Most all OO.o >> newbies come from applications that did so smoothly and quickly and without >> requiring a lot of work. >> >> I hope you're taking me seriously and not just as a PITA because this is a >> perfect example of an area where OO.o, or ANY word processing program worth >> its salt, should shine. Envelopes go hand in hand with writing letters, >> resumes, orders, acknowledgements, any area of the business world requiring >> someting to be mailed. >> Yet, OO.o, after all these years, cannot simplify the process of >> creating an envelope of any sort that isn't already in the template >> provided. If you so much as have to send an envelope into a printer >> differently than the template, you have to go and figure out all the oddball >> dimensions when it just shouldn't be so. >> Envelope generation should have been one of the first things done to >> OO.o after it became ready for production. For years people have been >> asking how to do envelopes and looking for the 'best' way, which of course >> doesn't exist because of people's opinions when more than a couple steps are >> required to do anything. >> >> Seriously, envelopes has to be one of the most basic, obvious and >> disappointing discoveries by new users, that any application comes up >> against. WHY is it allowed to exist? WHY is it not targetted to be fixed? >> WHY wasnt' it fixed already, years ago. Doesn't anyone realize that this >> is one of the first things about any secretary or mailing person is going to >> come across? >> >> In one of the links you gave, someone said the problem with envelopes was >> printers. To that I have to say bull hockey! Printer drivers are there to >> accept information from one source and send it to another; program to >> printer. GIGO applies there. Feed it the right information and it'll work >> fine. Microsoft knows it. WordPerfect, I forget who owns it right now, >> knows it. Albi and several other applications know it. WHY does not OO.o? >> Why does OO.o reference things to the BOTTOM of a page, when usign the top >> of the page would mean similarity for so many more envelopes? And why the >> changeable right side instead of the left, where it all originates? Half an >> inch down from the top of the page is simple, regardless of the page length. >> But 9.5" UP from the bottom, at this one particular page size, works only >> for this one particular page size. HUH? And so forth. >> >> Harold, you're about the best participant there is for these groups. But >> ... why aren't people getting more behind fixing the "minor" stuff that >> chases people away? Like envelopes. And quite a few other things, too. >> >> As I get more and more frustrated by OO.o and the small things it should >> have done all along that there are apperently no plans to ever address, >> including things like a link in an image placeholder instead of the photo >> and many others, I get closer and closer to trashing it and just going back >> to my Word 2002 for however long I can keep it running. I don't need 2003, >> don't want 2007 or anything close to it, and thought OO.o was going to be >> the leader in the areas of common sense and good sense. But I'm becoming >> leery of the future. Even if I had the power of a Cray before me, if all I >> wanted to do was make an envelope, the Cray would be pretty useless to me. >> >> Time for people to dig some trenches and stop the turnover! Growth of >> OO.o has slowed, returning users are becoming less in numbers if I'm to >> believe the statistics I'm seeing, and I firmly believe a lot of that is >> because people are putting up with mediocre pieces of software code built >> into some really stellar code, but none the less, not the basics that the >> people need. Give me the basics; then maybe I can build a better >> appreciation for the stellar code. >> >> </political rant> Sorry; just felt I had to vent it here. >> >> Twayne` >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Twayne, > > I can't comment on how easy or otherwise it is to make envelopes in Word as > (a) I've never done it and (b) I don't have Word installed or available to > install. The only real difficulty I've had with envelopes in OOo was > figuring out which way to put them in my printer. Once I cracked that, the > rest was fairly straightforward. I seriously think that if you have issues > in this area you ought to raise them with the developers (I'm not one) > either by sending a description of what you think is wrong & how to fix it > to [email protected] or, probably more appropriately, by submitting one > or several bug reports and/or RFEs (Request For Enhancement) to the QA > system by following the advice & links at <http://qa.openoffice.org>. I > haven't looked but there may well be relevant stuff there already, perhaps > even with release/fix dates. > > -- > Harold Fuchs > London, England > Please reply *only* to [email protected] > > My two cents please. I've been using OO i think when it was first released. Don't know about the envelope thing cos' haven't even once needed to print one. Most of the data entry is for company petty cash entries and every month, printed out in standard A4 papers. It has been around 9 years and yet, not even once did I use the function so would not be able to help or comment on that. What I did want to comment is this : it's a wonderful program or software whatever you may call it, that helps a lot of ppl who can't afford or wouldn't touch M$ Office. There is great support by xperts on this software and with a price that cannot be beaten, what more do we need. Of course, being a free program the overall function would be as good as if not better than paying ones. We the users can always suggest any improvements and hope that the developers would be able to sacrifice their precious time to entertain the request. As 'nobody' is paying them a cent for their time and effort, the sacrifice must be voluntarily dished out by them. You can also be a part of the group who can and will take Open Office to greater heights. Be a part of their dev.team since you are so well versed with the greatness of paying softwares. Contribute positively to the betterment of a great program that helps millions of users like me. Thanks.... mirexastan Ipoh, Perak,Malaysia.
