On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 09:15:34 AM +0000, Harold Fuchs wrote: > In the discussion you cite above you say: > > "Whenever you answer at ooo-users, ALWAYS send the reply > to both the OP and the list. Period. " > > I think this suggestion easily makes it onto the shortlist of > candidates for the most asinine idea ever.
Whereas yours and other people's unbelievable devotion to something as idiot as regularly filling the list with duplicates or suggesting that subscribers should spend more of their time tweaking filters that will never work in any possible situation vs actually supporting others... is worth the Nobel prize? Find me another mailing list on the planet that wastes as much time as this on a topic like this. All you and the others followers of this "strategy" have accomplished in the last 6/7 years is to fill the archives with duplicates and filtering discussions, and drive away from OOo support through this list most of the people who don't like to waste their time. The only reason this crap is still around is that you lot costantly manage to bother away everybody else. > This list has *many* more questions from subscribed OPs than from > unsubscribed ones. Prove it. In the right way, of course. Count all the messages to this list over a meaningfully long period, say at least 6/8 months. Discard ALL the endless, useless discussions over this topic AND ALL the duplicates "re-sent to the list and the unsubscribed OP" and ALL the messages with empty subjects. Then look at what's left and prove with reproducible numbers that a) there are still more original questions (not replies) from subscribers vs unsubscribed posters and b) that subscribers would see more traffic in their inbox (including the duplicates). You'd still be suggesting a wrong solution, but > Your idea would mean that every subscribed OP would *always* get two > copies of all replies and unsubscribed users would only get one. First of all, you are talking of only point 2 of my proposal. I only suggest to act like that on posts that makes sense to open. Secondly, REAL duplicate messages like the ones generated in that way are the EASIEST thing ever to filter out automatically in every decent email system in existence. So there is NO subscribed user that would ever see THOSE duplicates after an extremely simple reconfiguration of their mail clients. The mere fact that you come out with such a statement: > Your idea would mean that every subscribed OP would *always* get two > copies of all replies and unsubscribed users would only get one. as if it were a more difficult problem to solve than the one you CREATE with your attitude proves that you simply don't know enough about email to suggest anything about its filtering. I don't want to insult you, I'm sure you are doing this in good will, but your assertions and hypotheses on this are wrong period. Go study email for real. Don't trust me on this, make an internet search or ask somebody you trust about automatic removal of duplicates based on their Message-ID headers. > There would thus be huge detriment to subscribed users. Duh. You fail to see that the only users who remain subscribed are those who think your "strategy" (which, again, is UNIQUE, in the sense that there is no other mailing list I know of that is plagued by such ideas) makes any sense in the first place. Then again, prove it with numbers. On any other list I am subscribed, I never send duplicate messages. I only suggest to do it on this due to its unique nature. From now on, I confirm that here I WILL CONTINUE to do as I suggest here: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65332q because I know for sure that I will generate MUCH LESS extra copies of messages than you or anybody else "resending to unsubscribed OP", and that those extra copies will be extremely easy for everybody to filter out automatically. I also repeat my suggestion to every other subscriber to do the same. The only variant I may consider (I haven't decided yet) is to: - always answer both to OP and list when it's a new message - always answer only to list when replying to a reply - (optional) killfile everybody who "resends copy to unsubscribed OP" One final request: I kindly ask you or anybody else who thinks that my solution is the "asinine" one to not waste time only here on the list about it. If you think so, please do send a PUBLIC request to the OOO CC and to the list moderator, CC here on the list so it remains publicly archived, to remove me from this list "because my proposal on how to handle it would generate much more unwanted, unfilterable traffic for subscribers than yours", and let's all see what happens :-) Marco -- The Online Loser Guide, 2010 edition http://stop.zona-m.net/node/66 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
