G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 13:07 -0600, Craig Herman wrote:
OK. I'll try. But I don't have any estimate of when I will finish.
Craig
Thanks.
In the meantime I have asked the project which maintains the thesaurus
the following:
Any chance a bowlderized or cleaned up thesaurus existing now. I ask
because a school teacher has encountered a problem with the thesaurus
that is distributed where the f-word in its many forms is offered as a
synonym.
Failing that how to clean up easily?
Please state which Morality norms should be applied: The Mormon
College, The School Board of Orange County, US Army Cavalry School, New
Zealand Higher Council of Maori, The Central Nigerian ... or maybe, some
internal company guidelines, like Hustler Inc.
Morality can not be established by technical norms but living and giving
an example to follow.
And OOo should not teach how to censure.
Frank
Hope we get a definitive answer.
-----Original Message-----
From: G. Roderick Singleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Craig Herman
Subject: RE: [users] Profanity in the dictionary and thesaurus
Craig,
For an interim solution, I suggest that you remove/dusable the thesaurus at
least until you can edit the file and get a working one. You can do this by
removing the line
THES en US th_en_US_v2
from <wherever>/openoffice.org2.0/share/dict/ooo/dictionary.lst
On my system, simply commenting out the line and restarting OOo is
sufficient.
Good luck on Bowlderizing.
Do try this by editing both th_en_US_v2.dat and th_en_US_v2.idx for
your list of banned words.
If you are successful, perhaps you could donate these to the project so
others may avoid the problem you are having. If you like I will create an
issue to which you can attach the files.
On Fri, 2005-11-18 at 11:17 -0600, Craig Herman wrote:
Type "mishandle" and look at the fourth term from the bottom. It
gives "f**k up" as a synonym. That was the real problem that I had.
On the other hand, if you type "f**k up" and look up a synonym in the
thesaurus, it gives good suggestions as alternates. I guess that
makes it sort of even. I checked MS Word. If you misspell "f**k", it
marks it as incorrect. If you look up "f**k" or "f**k up", it gives
no suggestions. What would be better is to not give "f**k up" as a
synonym, but to give synonyms for "f**k up" if asked. After checking
further, look up "motherf**ker" and see what you get.
Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Volke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [users] Profanity in the dictionary and thesaurus
The only instance I'd see this being an issue for a school would be if
you typed in botch and you got f*ck up suggested as a synonym. I
checked and in fact f*ck up is not suggested at all. The only
instance in which it comes up is if the user types it, and in that
case it suggests synonyms. Why shouldn't the software offer the kids
nice alternatives to otherwise nasty words? Isn't this your original
concern anyway? If the kids already know the word enough to spell it
correctly, then I think censoring the dictionary is going to be
fruitless. That's my two cents. Good luck with the distribution,
personally I hope more schools begin using OpenOffice as I think they
can benefit the most from its use.
Robert
"Craig Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/18/05 8:04 AM >>>
I'm not necessarily trying to be a censor. What I was really concerned
about was being forced to remove OpenOffice.org from the computers in
my classroom because of those words. I looked them up in a school
dictionary and they were there also, so I doubt it will be an issue.
However, I still think a user should have the ability to remove or add
words and/or phrases from the dictionary and thesaurus if they want
to.
Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: Wangshanpo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [users] Profanity in the dictionary and thesaurus
Martin S wrote:
2005/11/18, Craig Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
The word f**k and the expression "f**k up" are in the dictionary
and
thesaurus. Is it possible to remove these? I have tried, but I have
been unsuccessful. I would like to use these at my school, but with
these words in the dictionary, I don't think that will be possible.
Interesting.
My sons school has a policy against profanity in school. However, no
one has ever come up with the idea of censoring the Word
dictionaries.
Children pick up these words weather you like or not, so it's fairly
pointless in trying to censor dictionaries. And if they still use
them
in texts, they might as well spell them correctly.
Personally I'd be very reluctant to start practicing censorship -
you
never know where it ends.
Regards,
Martin S
Craig asked a very simple function/operation related question but see
how it ferreted out those whose moral judgement is evidently better than
the rest.
Intriguing!
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