Jonathon Blake wrote:
Robin wrote:
No, there are just a bunch of styles menus with a bunch of styles
that have other problems.
Such as? ? ?
What style is used and what changes are made at the time that the
change occurred. Until this morning, I didn't know about the ability
to have the "Applied Styles" displayed in the styles window. This is
a feature that should be the default display. It has already helped
in one case to know that an imported document decided to use "Normal
(web)" as a style and it was causing all kinds of strange formatting
problems.
Both have their own complexity. As one person said, they have
over
2000 styles.
Since that is a reference to me, I'll point out that I know what
the difference between any two styles I have is. And why it was
created, and used.
And having that many greatly simplifies things for me.
I always try to think simple. To me reveal codes is simple.
Styles are simpler --- one doesn't have to remember what attributes
to change. Just remember what style to change. Much easier,
simpler, and cleaner.
No one just has to look at the attributes that are changed. I look at
the above Normal (Web) and I have 12 major options that can be changed
within it. I see a problem on the page I have but I am not sure what
option is the problem. Of course, if is is a font option that
changed, now it isn't the style at all that changed the formatting,
though it could have.
And to use this as an example. In this document, "Header 1" is being
used. It is defined as Times New Roman, 14pt Bold for the font. Yet
it is also on a second line that looks totally different. Same font
and size but not Bold but underlined. I select the line and the
Heading 1 style is what is highlited. This is a great example of how
the formatting of the style does not represent what is on the screen.
Now if I am correct, the second header would be closer to "Header 2".
Not to confuse things but there are other formatting changes that
occur on the blank line between the two headers that is still
indicated at being "Header 1"
This is in three lines of text on an imported document.
Styles are complex because a style can do allot at once.
And they are very predictable in what they will change. Unlike WP,
where one requires Reveal Codes, because a simple change can have
UNEXPECTED, results, with UNPREDICTABLE side-effects.
As the example I used above shows, the results from the imported
document are not as predictable as you would state. This is my day to
day life. You would delete all the styles and reformat it. I don't
have that option.
will do, this can be great. What happens if there is a character
style that is within this paragraph?
Displays the character properly.
But that is what I do understand. This is why I suggest a single
box that displays each of these without having to click through
multiple windows.
I haven't looked at _Styles: Their Attributes and Effects_
recently. For some types of styles, you have over a hundred
different options.
Do you really want a screen that displays each of those options,
for every character? [Just thinking about the wasted screen estate
gives me the shivers. That it would further hinder productivity is
another reason to not implement it.]
No, I want something that show me that this style is being used as the
option in the "Styles window does" I also want the dialog box to show
me where the style changes if I move my cursor without having to look
at multiple location.
which is a space? You have one character space that may be
enough to
Make up your mind. Is that space the only character with the style
difference, or is the space the start of a new block of text with
the same style?
I don't know as I didn't create it. It is something that was imported
or pasted from another source.
It doesn't make any difference in either the short run, or the long
run, because it is trivial to determine what the attributes of
that character, or text block are. You don't need Reveal Code
functionality to determine those attributes.
inside and out I will even grow to like them but in my case, I
don't want 2000+ styles to have to remember and use.
A tool for every job. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if I
could take over your position, and reformat the documents in half
the time you take, because I have 2 000 + styles, and don't have to
play "hunt for the incorrect code". [Remember what I said about
the only assumption I make --- "that the person who gave me the
document won't notice the reformatting I have done." Ponder on
what that means, when applied to a document that is given to you in
a plethora of file formats, markup languages, character encoding,
and other things designed to annoy one.]
I wish I had that option. In many cases, I have to ensure that the
format is exactly what was sent to me. Even down to the placement of
certain boxes or text lines when printed. This can be a real pain and
I wish I had your flexibility to reformat as I see fit.
How about a document on Styles for WordPerfect users?
It would be all of one paragraph long:
The why don't you type it and explain how a person that uses Reveal
codes daily can convert to styles. This is an issue that keeps coming
up over the years. I feel that it is even more important now as OOo
will import WP documents.
xan
jonathon -- Ethical conduct is a vice. Corrupt conduct is a virtue.
Motto of Nacarima.
We won't agree on the power of each. I agree that there are times
styles are much better than RC's but there are times that RC is much
better than styles.
--
Robin Laing
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