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> On Sep 20, 2006, at 2:25 PM, Terence W C Warby wrote:
> 
> > I would have thought that working in a small business would 
> have made 
> > it easier to adopt alternatives to M$ software. I work in a 
> business 
> > with about 17 full time personnel. Up to two years ago we 
> had to work 
> > with a motley collection of PC's running on Win 95, 98 and 
> Me, using 
> > various versions of M$ Office. When our Director decided to 
> update our 
> > network and buy new machines he asked me to manage the job. 
> Although I 
> > didn't manage to eliminate M$ software entirely, we are 
> running on Win 
> > XP, there is no M$ office software on any of our PC's. The 
> transition 
> > to OpenOffice.org was quick, painless and very cost 
> effective. All I 
> > had to do was show that OOo could do the jobs we wanted 
> done, that it 
> > could read any M$ documents that we had already produced and could 
> > produce M$ format documents if required by a client. Job done - No 
> > problem.
> >
> > Terry W
> >
> > Ross Bernheim wrote:
> >> Derek,
> >>
> >> In small businesses there are as many if not more impediments to 
> >> adopting  alternatives such as Open Office. I work in a small 
> >> company.
> >> When I started, there were two of us, the owner and myself.
> >>
> >> His is a MS Windows, MS Office, Publisher, etc. user.  I 
> am primarily 
> >> a Mac user and to some extent Linux user. The owner got an 
> IBM laptop 
> >> with XP Home. He got an IBM desktop with XP Home for the part time 
> >> receptionist/ office person. I used an old Mac from home initially 
> >> with Word Perfect for the Mac.
> >>
> >> When I outgrew the old Mac, I got an eMac for work as it 
> was the only 
> >> one that would fit under the riser for the workbench where 
> it was to 
> >> be located and it was the least expensive. Boss offered to get MS 
> >> Office for it and I said no. I put Open Office on it and have been 
> >> very happy with it.
> >>
> >> As we expanded and added a full time office person and another 
> >> production person, MS continued to dominate. I did get the office 
> >> person and other production person to put OOo on their 
> machines and 
> >> they use it some of the time. Particularly when MS Word 
> won't print 
> >> and OOo does.
> >>
> >> Boss still won't deal with other than MS Office.
> >>
> >> On the back end, I did get him to go for a Samba server running on 
> >> Linux.
> >> Took an old $30 PII 266 machine and added a 160GB drive and Debian 
> >> Linux for an inexpensive and reliable file server.
> >>
> >> We have added 2 machines that are MS Windows XP based 
> because we need 
> >> to run software that only works under Windows. These have been EDA 
> >> software and PLM software. The EDA machine also has Office on it 
> >> since that is what the people who use it are used to. The 
> PLM server 
> >> is running on a machine that is in my area and also runs 
> an instance 
> >> of the PLM client software. I have OOo on it instead of Office. So 
> >> far the only problem is that the PLM software expects MS 
> Office so I 
> >> cannot import Excel files into the PLM database without 
> it. It means 
> >> that I have to convert the file to a text file and import 
> that way. A 
> >> minor annoyance but not a showstopper as I do not need to 
> import too 
> >> many files that way.
> >>
> >> The interesting thing is that the office admin person tried OOo at 
> >> home and found that it was easier to just use MS Word to 
> trade files 
> >> with the people in college classes she is taking. The production 
> >> person uses OOo and not MS Word at home.
> >>
> >> It will be a long hard ongoing effort to unseat MS Windows 
> or any of 
> >> the MS Office components from their dominant position. I have a 
> >> number of computers at home and all have OOo not MS Office 
> on them. 
> >> So I am a 'success story' but many others are not there yet.
> >>
> >> Certainly small businesses are a good place to put forth 
> the effort 
> >> to make them aware of the advantages of OOo. Expecting a high 
> >> percentage of them to either use or switch to OOo is 
> unrealistic at 
> >> this point. Working towards having a greater awareness of OOo and 
> >> higher adoption rates is very realistic.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ross Bernheim
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sep 19, 2006, at 17:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>  I think some of the greatest opportunities for software 
> >>> alternatives like Open Office and Linux exist in small business, 
> >>> where the entrepreneurial spirits are highest and budgets are 
> >>> lowest. Workers there are more likely to make an extra effort to 
> >>> learn new things and challenge the status quo for their own sakes.
> >>>
> >>>  Derek Wilson
> >>
> >> 
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