At 22:18 23/07/2007 +0100, Brian Barker wrote:
At 05:40 23/07/2007 -0400, Roger Wray wrote:
Your Calc program is a failure. I spend hours working on a .csv files only to have the sheet lost when I closed the program. There were 2 sheets in the file and it deleted the second one I created without any warning. Thank you for your inability to write a program.

Going back to Microsoft. Don't know what other thing might be waiting to destroy my work.

Your bug or issue reporting does not save the user time. It is only for self centered you.

Hell of a way to promote SUN. Will not be using another product by SUN. I will also be letting the internet know that their job is in limbo if they try to use any SUN products.

You evidently missed the warning in Calc's help text that says "When you export a spreadsheet to CSV format, only the data on the current sheet is saved. All other information, including formulae and formatting, is also lost." So you cannot have two sheets in a file saved as .csv.

If you create a new spreadsheet with more than one sheet and try to save it as a .csv file, Calc will warn you that you are saving only the active sheet. (I don't think this warning can be suppressed.) But it is true that if you open an existing .csv file in Calc and then add another sheet to it, Calc evidently assumes that you are already aware of the issue and does not warn you when you save the enlarged spreadsheet.

You are, of course, welcome to return to commercial software if you prefer. But you may like to check whether Excel will do things any differently. Microsoft's web site says of saving files in .csv format "Only the active sheet is saved." Doesn't that mean that the problem is with your perception of how spreadsheet applications operate, not with a difference between OpenOffice and other software?

Anyone is probably ill advised to work for hours in a new way without saving their work and reopening it, to check that what they are doing is working as they wish and need. When you speak to the internet, you may want to suggest that. And you may like to mention the warning that you missed.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

At the risk of dragging this out, I think there are two further points that can usefully be made here.

1. Despite Calc's offering it as a choice of format within Save As..., CSV is not a spreadsheet document format. Since it does not preserve formatting, formulae, and so on, it cannot be. Instead, it is a data interchange format, suitable for transferring data between different applications. So it should never be the only format in which you save your work.

2. I would suggest that it is always best to keep your working copy of any document in the application's default file format (though I recognise that some will dispute this claim and that not everyone works this way). In this case, then, I would recommend saving any work as a Calc (.ods) spreadsheet file, and saving a CSV version in parallel only when this was necessary.

I trust this helps (a little more?).

Brian Barker


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