On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:44:59 -0700 NoOp wrote: > On 09/20/2007 06:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thursday 20 September 2007 20:57:35 Michael Adams wrote: > >> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:35:52 +0100 > >> > >> Harold Fuchs wrote: > >> > On 20/09/2007 13:45, CPHennessy wrote: > >> > > On Wednesday 19 September 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > >> > >> FYI to all. I sent a request to the > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > >> > >list> that handles the website asking that subscription be > >> > > required to> post to the list. Maybe we will see it happen. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > That ios exactly how this list works. The only addition is > >> > > that moderators can accept mails from unsubscribed users, and > >> > > with these emails we have the header 'Deliever-to: moderator' > >> > > added. > >> > > >> > CPH, forgive me for being blunt but that's nonsense. > >> > "linuxmaillists" is requesting that subscription *be required* > >> > to post to this list. That is exactly how this list does *not* > >> > work. > >> > > >> > In addition to adding "Delivered-To: moderator ..." why oh why > >> > oh why can't ***all*** messages from unsubscribed users have > >> > something like "[Moderated]" added to the ***Subject*** line so > >> > that *every* user, regardless of what mail/news reader s/he's > >> > using can *see* that the message comes from an unsubscribed > >> > user? > >> > > >> > What we have now is at best sub-prime (!!!). Many mail/news > >> > readers readers can't filter on the Delivered-To header; users > >> > reading the digest don't get those headers and, last but not > >> > least only *some* messages from unsubscribed users have > >> > "[Moderated]" in the subject line. > >> > > >> > > >> > ***Please*** > >> > >> It is only a problem to some. It is set up to make it as easy as > >> possible for anyone to get assistance using one of the three > >> methods. If you can't handle that and see it as sub optimal then > >> you have the issue. I have had no issue with it for years. > > > > Do you like seeing the same questions asked several times a day > > everyday? There are a lot of casual users on Windows, and now > > apparently MAC as well, who do not even try to find an answer to > > their question they just go to the site find the e-mail address > > that they think is going to one person or paid support and ask > > their question that was already answered 6 times today and > > yesterday and the day before etc. etc. etc. > > > > Also if the people who so readily give the answers to those FAQs > > would stop doing it and start pointing the person to the archive or > > the FAQ page on the website, then some of it would stop and some of > > these casual users would learn how to think for them selves and > > find their answers without annoying 1000s of people on the list > > with the same old FAQs. > > Maybe these people don't know what FAQ (Frequently Asked Question) > > is and don't realize that the FAQs probably contain their answer > > and they could have found it quicker rather than later waiting for > > someone on this list to send them the answer. > > > > As the archives will show, I've long been in favor of requiring > subscription to the list. However, I think that Michael and others > have good points in that making casual question posters subscribe > could potentially cause many first time users to move on if they can't > ask/find a question. > > I think that there are two issues: > > 1. Unsubscribed posts that do not carry the [moderated] or similar > heading in the subject line. That *needs* to be fixed. If it were, > then many of the complaints here would stop. > > 2. The OOo FAQs. They are in such a disarray on the OOo website that > even I am confused by their multiple links to dated, and often > inaccurate information. Were the OOo website and the FAQ links fixed I > am positive that much of the unsubscribed "can this run on Vista etc" > traffic would be reduced. >
Some people seem to be talking about an [EXPERT] list. As a member of the subscribe only Mandrake/Mandriva Expert list for 5 years i would say adding an OO.o subscribe only expert list may be a good idea. How about an RFE for that as a compromise solutiuon? -- Michael Linux: The OS people choose without $200,000,000 of persuasion. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
