On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 5:32 PM Derek Atkins <de...@ihtfp.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, December 8, 2020 10:17 am, Yedidyah Bar David wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 5:09 PM Derek Atkins <de...@ihtfp.com> wrote:
> >>
> [snip]
> >> Is there any chance this could be added to the --help output?
> >> An actual example would have been very useful.
> >
> > Frankly, I'd prefer people (like you) that need to use these
> > utilities manually, to search the net if they have problems,
> > than spending hours debating about how long --help should be,
> > what should be included in it and what not, what link we might
> > provide for further reference (and please note that I didn't
> > include such a link in my original reply - simply because I
> > failed to find one that seemed "most suitable"), etc. That said,
> > patches are welcome! If you think you can improve the current
> > text in a conflict-free way, which everyone will agree to, please
> > go ahead and push a patch! :-)
>
> I'll take a look at doing that.

Thanks.

>
> I did google some before asking here, but there were very few hits for
> usage of pki-enroll-request.sh -- although I admit I did not try many
> different search terms.  Most of the results were not ovirt related nor
> related to this script at all.

Of course. Many people had to struggle with SAN, together with oVirt,
when it became more common, and gradually replaced CN in Subject.

>
> > BTW: What I personally do, is to search the code and/or relevant
> > logs to see what other tools (the engine, engine-setup, in this
> > case) do, as "reference examples".
>
> That presumes having ready access to (in this case) ovirt sources -- which
> you obviously do but I do not.  As a user, I don't feel I should need to
> go refer to the sources to determine how a utility program should be
> properly used.  IMHO that's what documentation is used for.  However I
> will keep that in mind for my next issue ;)

Of course I agree, that users are not *expected* to search the sources.
But with open-source, at least they *can* :-).

And, BTW, my emphasis was on searching the logs. This is often more
helpful than searching the sources, if the logs are good.

>
> But I do understand your PoV -- for GnuCash I often reference the sources
> when answering people's questions.  However that's a case where I am (or
> was) one of the developers so I do have the sources handy.  :)

Exactly. I think it's more a matter of habit.

When I was a sysadmin, I used to search sources much less than today
(as a developer), also in cases where I am a "casual user", in projects
not closely involving my main work.

>
> Thanks again.  I am all set now!

Thanks for the report, and best regards,
-- 
Didi
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