Just to be clear for when I look at it...were you using trunk or 0.12
for those tests, and presumably you were calling commit after your
simulated processing delay?

Robbie

On 28 October 2011 00:28, Praveen M <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Robbie,
>
> I was using asynchronous onMessage delivery with transacted session for my
> tests.
>
> So from your email, I'm afraid it might be an issue. It will be great if you
> could investigate a little on this and keep us update.
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Praveen
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Robbie Gemmell
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> From the below, would I be right in thinking you were using receive()
>> calls with an AutoAck session? If so then you would see the behaviour
>> you observed as the message gets acked just before receive() returns,
>> which makes the broker send the next one to the client. That shouldnt
>> happen if you were using asynchronous onMessage delivery (since the
>> ack gets since when the onMessage() handler returns), or if you you
>> used a ClientAck or Transacted session in which you only acknowledged
>> the message / commited the session after the processing is complete.
>>
>> I must admit to having never used the client with prefetch set to 0,
>> which should in theory give you what you are looking for even with
>> AutoAck but based on your comments appears not to have. I will try and
>> take a look into that at the weekend to see if there are any obvious
>> issues we can JIRA for fixing.
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>> On 26 October 2011 23:48, Praveen M <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Hi Jakub,
>> >
>> > Thanks for your reply. Yes I did find the prefetch model and reran my
>> test
>> > and now ran into another issue.
>> >
>> > I set the prefetch to 1 and ran the same test described in my earlier
>> mail.
>> >
>> > In this case the behavior I see is,
>> > The 1st consumer gets the 1st message and works on it for a while, the
>> 2nd
>> > consumer consumes 8 messages and then does nothing(even though there was
>> 1
>> > more unconsumed message). When the first consumer completed its long
>> running
>> > message it got around and consumed the remaining 1 message. However,  I
>> was
>> > expecting the 2nd consumer to dequeue all 9 messages(the number of
>> remaining
>> > messages) while the 1st consumer was busy working on the long message.
>> >
>> > Then, I thought, perhaps the prefetch count meant that, when a consumer
>> is
>> > working on a message, another message in the queue is prefetched to the
>> > consumer from the persistant store as my prefetch count is 1. That could
>> > explain why I saw the behavior as above.
>> >
>> > What i wanted to achieve was to actually turn of any kinda prefetching
>> > (Yeah, I'm ok with taking the throughput hit)
>> >
>> > So I re ran my test now with prefetch = 0, and saw a really weird result.
>> >
>> > With prefetch 0, the 1st consumer gets the 1st message and works on it
>> for a
>> > while, which the 2nd consumer consumes 7 messages(why 7?) and then does
>> > nothing(even though there were 2 more unconsumed messages). When the 1st
>> > consumer completed processing it's message it got to consume the
>> remaining
>> > two messages too. (Did it kinda prefetch 2?)
>> >
>> > Can someone please tell me if Is this a bug or am I doing something
>> > completely wrong? I'm using the latest Java Broker & client (from trunk)
>> > with DerbyMessageStore for my tests.
>> >
>> > Also, can someone please tell me what'd be the best way to turn off
>> > prefetching?
>> >
>> > Thanks a lot,
>> > Praveen
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Jakub Scholz <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Praveen,
>> >>
>> >> Have you set the capacity / prefetch for the receivers to one message?
>> >> I believe the capacity defines how many messages can be "buffered" by
>> >> the client API in background while you are still processing the first
>> >> message. That may cause that both your clients receive 5 messages,
>> >> even when the processing in the first client takes a longer time.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Jakub
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 03:02, Praveen M <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I ran the following test
>> >> >
>> >> > 1) I created 1 Queue
>> >> > 2) Registered 2 consumers to the queue
>> >> > 3) Enqueued 10 messages to the Queue. [ The first enqueued message is
>> >> long
>> >> > running. I simulated such that the first message on consumption takes
>> >> about
>> >> > 50 seconds to be processed]
>> >> > 4) Once the enqueue is committed, the 2 consumers each pick a message.
>> >> > 5) The 1st consumer that got the long running message works on it for
>> a
>> >> long
>> >> > time while the second consumer that got the second message keeps
>> >> processing
>> >> > and going to the next message, but  only goes as far until it
>> processes 5
>> >> of
>> >> > the 10 messages enqueued. Then the 2nd consumer gives up processing.
>> >> > 6) When the 1st consumer with the  long running message completes, it
>> >> then
>> >> > ends up processing the remaining messages and my test completes.
>> >> >
>> >> > So it seems like the two consumers were trying to take a fair share of
>> >> > messages that they were processing immaterial of the time it takes to
>> >> > process individual messages. Enqueued message = 10, Consumer 1 share
>> of 5
>> >> > messages were processed by it, and Consumer 2's share of 5 messages
>> were
>> >> > processed by it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > This is kinda against the behavior that I'd like to see. The desired
>> >> > behavior in my case is that of each consumer keeps going on if it's
>> done
>> >> and
>> >> > has other messages to process.
>> >> >
>> >> > In the above test, I'd expect as consumer 1 is working on the long
>> >> message,
>> >> > the second consumer should work its way through all the remaining
>> >> messages.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there some config that I'm missing that could cause this effect??
>> Any
>> >> > advice on tackling this will be great.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, Can someone please explain in what order are messages delivered
>> to
>> >> the
>> >> > consumers in the following cases?
>> >> >
>> >> > Case 1)
>> >> >  There is a single Queue with more than 1 message in it and multiple
>> >> > consumers registered to it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Case 2)
>> >> > There are multiple queues each with more than 1 message in it, and has
>> >> > multiple consumers registered to it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you,
>> >> > --
>> >> > -Praveen
>> >> >
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>> >
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