On 3 April 2017 at 15:53, Keith W <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 31 March 2017 at 10:57, Rob Godfrey <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 30 March 2017 at 12:32, Lorenz Quack <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> +1 on the migration to git.
> >>
> >> Regarding the name of the broker's git repo:
> >>  * qpid-broker: I agree with others that this might lead to confusions
> >>    with the cpp broker.
> >>  * qpid-java-broker: I am worried that legal will not be happy with this
> >>    since Java is a trademark. See [1] and [2].
> >>  * This leaves qpid-broker-for-java and qpid-broker-j.
> >> Between those two I favour qpid-broker-for-java since that is what was
> >> decided in [1].  I agree that it is a bit wordy but we won't have to
> >> type it a lot and it is consistent with the other usages like
> >> documentation and representation on the web page.
> >>
> >>
> > So my view here is that "Qpid Broker for Java" is essentially the wrong
> > name in every context :-)  The fact that the Broker is written in Java is
> > really incidental to its function and unless you are looking at deploying
> > on a platform that doesn't support Java, it really shouldn't make any
> > difference to an end user. personally I would have gone for qpidj-broker
> or
> > qpid-broker-j for the product name and the repo name.
>
>
> I agree. I only wish we'd had the same thought a few months back when
> the Qpid Broker for Java was named that way :)
>

I think the naming is in some ways simpler now with the broker and client
completely separated.  Each can have a name which properly reflects their
purpose since we don't have a single "for java" combined release.


>
> I prefer qpid-broker-j.  My suggestion is that we adopt it for both
> the new git repo name and the name of the product appearing in notice,
> license files, documentation, website and maven metadata descriptions
> etc.  The Maven artefact names will be left unchanged.
>
>
+1 from me :-)

-- Rob


>
> >
> > On the legal concerns, I don't see why the git repo name would be
> different
> > from a legal standpoint to the maven artefact names... if we believe that
> > the git repo name is an issue then we should also be changing the maven
> > names... and again I would think that "qpid-broker-for-java" would be a
> > stupid maven artefact name too :-)
> >
> > -- Rob
> >
> >
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Lorenz
> >>
> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-7341
> >> [2] http://qpid.2158936.n2.nabble.com/Apache-Qpid-Java-naming-co
> >> ncerns-td7648059.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 30/03/17 11:12, Oleksandr Rudyy wrote:
> >>
> >>> +1 for migration from svn to git
> >>>
> >>> I would use qpid-java-broker as a name for the repo, as it is a bit
> >>> shorter
> >>> than qpid-broker-for-java.
> >>> I'd also be Ok with 'qpid-broker-for-java'  as a name for the repo. In
> >>> general I prefer full names over the abbreviations or truncations of
> the
> >>> words. Mixing abbreviation with full words looks a bit unusual to me.
> >>> Thus,
> >>> I would vote against 'qpid-broker-j'.
> >>>
> >>> Kind Regards,
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >>> On 27 March 2017 at 14:15, Justin Ross <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I like qpid-broker-j best of the alternatives proposed.  I think
> >>>> qpid-broker alone will cause a little confusion.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Rob Godfrey <[email protected]
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 27 March 2017 at 12:35, Robbie Gemmell <[email protected]>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 27 March 2017 at 10:47, Rob Godfrey <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 27 March 2017 at 11:31, Keith W <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi all
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Now the Qpid Broker for Java and Qpid JMS AMQP 0-x Client are
> >>>>>>>> separated [1]/[2], I'd like to propose the final two remaining
> Qpid
> >>>>>>>> components are migrated from SVN to GIT.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> * Qpid Broker for Java
> >>>>>>>> * Qpid JMS AMQP 0-x Client
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This will give us a consistent, Git based, version control
> approach
> >>>>>>>> across the whole project and therefore a simpler 'getting
> involved'
> >>>>>>>> story that should benefit the community as a whole.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The source code migration will maintain source code history,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> including
> >>>>
> >>>>> existing release branches and tags made since r1673693/QPID-6481 [3]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The intention would be for all future releases to be made from
> git.
> >>>>>>>> This would include any future maintenance releases from 6.0.x and
> >>>>>>>> 6.1.x (which would remain combined broker/client releases).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Qpid Broker for Java:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Current SVN location: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/qpid/java/
> >>>>>>>> Proposed GIT repo: git://git.apache.org/qpid-broker
> >>>>>>>> <http://git.apache.org/qpid-broker-for-java.git>-for-java.git
> >>>>>>>> <http://git.apache.org/qpid-broker-for-java.git>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do we have to make the repo name quite so wordy? :-) git://
> >>>>>>> git.apache.org/qpid-broker.git would work for me.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The existing GIT mirror at git://git.apache.org/qpid-java.git
> would
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> cease.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Qpid JMS AMQP 0-x Client:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Current SVN location: https://svn.apache.org/repos/
> >>>>>>>> asf/qpid/qpid-jms-amqp-0-x/
> >>>>>>>> Proposed GIT repo: git://git.apache.org/qpid-jms-amqp-0-x.git
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The existing GIT mirror at git://git.apache.org/qpid-jms-
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> amqp-0-x.git
> >>>>
> >>>>> would become the 'live' repo..
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No objections on the client side, and OK on the broker side with
> the
> >>>>>>> proviso that I'd prefer a shorter repo name :-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- Rob
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1] http://qpid.2158936.n2.nabble.com/DISCUSS-Drop-the-AMQP-0-x-
> >>>>>>>> client-from-the-Qpid-for-Java-7-0-release-td7657770.html
> >>>>>>>> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-7622
> >>>>>>>> [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/QPID-6481
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm also not hugely fond of 'qpid-broker-for-java' as a repo name.
> >>>>>> Using only 'qpid-broker' doesn't necessarily do a great job of
> >>>>>> signalling which broker it contains, though the contents would make
> it
> >>>>>> pretty obvious and seeing that the cpp broker is in 'qpid-cpp' isn't
> >>>>>> much of a stretch or that surprising (particularly as its been
> there a
> >>>>>> while now, and I doubt we will separate those bits further). Adding
> >>>>>> '-j' might be another option though.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The above was literally my reasoning as I considered what name I
> would
> >>>>>
> >>>> give
> >>>>
> >>>>> it... I'd also be happy with qpid-broker-j however that's not what we
> >>>>>
> >>>> call
> >>>>
> >>>>> it in maven, etc (though I wouldn't be hugely upset to rename it
> >>>>> consistently).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regardless which of these its called, happy to proceed and will be
> >>>>>> glad to see them moved to git.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- Rob
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Side note, git.apache.org doesn't actually hold the live repos, just
> >>>>>> mirrors. The actual writable repos would be at
> >>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/<name>.git
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Robbie
> >>>>>>
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