Hi Carsten,

I just tried your suggestion on a blank instance with a very simple test 
project.
But, unfortunately, the result is the same.

The component is active on the standby and has the config from the primary 
instance.

What I did:

- created an author-primary directory
- created an instance with -r primary,crx3,crx3tar,nosamplecontent
- verified the active runmodes: crx3, s7connect, nosamplecontent, author, 
crx3tar, primary
- verified the Standby MBean: mode=primary, running=true
- installed my test project
- verified the component config: exists
- verified the component is active and running
- shutdown the instance

- copied the entire author-primary to an author-standby directory
- added the org.apache.jackrabbit.oak.segment.SegmentNodeStoreService.config 
and org.apache.jackrabbit.oak.segment.standby.store.StandbyStoreService.config 
to the crx-quickstart/install/install.standby folder as described at 
https://docs.adobe.com/content/help/en/experience-manager-64/deploying/deploying/tarmk-cold-standby.html
- started the instance with -r standby,crx3,crx3tar,nosamplecontent -p 4602
- verified the active runmodes: 
standby,s7connect,crx3,nosamplecontent,author,crx3tar
- verified the Standby MBean: mode=client, running=true, in sync
- verified the component config: exists (!)
- verified the component: active (!) and running
- shut down the instance

So, we're back to square one.

Is this is an Apache Sling bug or an unsupported feature?

Kind regards

Wim

Op 30/07/2020 09:59 heeft Wim Symons <wim.sym...@vrt.be> geschreven:

    We will give it a try.

    Thanks!!

    Wim

    Op 30/07/2020 09:57 heeft Carsten Ziegeler <cziege...@apache.org> 
geschreven:

        Hi,

        The referenced documentation describes the procedure - which I believe
        works. It is not mentioning to delete configurations in the launchpad
        folder.

        So I guess what you want to achieve is to not activate components in
        standby mode - this can be done by using the run mode combination of
        author and primary for these configurations, so putting them into a
        config.author.primary folder.

        The primary is started with the run mode "primary" and therefore the
        configurations apply. The standby is not started with "primary" but
        "standby" - the OSGi/JCR installer will take care of it and handle the
        configurations properly.

        Regards
        Carsten


        Am 30.07.2020 um 09:44 schrieb Wim Symons:
        > Hi Carsten,
        >
        > Thanks for your swift reply.
        >
        > But that means, the procedure Adobe describes to correctly set up a 
standby instance on 
https://helpx.adobe.com/experience-manager/kb/how-to-setup-cold-standby-instance-in-AEM.html
 is not clear on this subject.
        >
        > Is there *any* way you know to make this work?
        > Can I reset the state of the JCR installer so it picks up all config 
again?
        >
        > Other thought is to change the components that really should not get 
active in standby mode to check the active runmode through the SlingSettings 
interface upon component start.
        > But that's quite a few, I'm thinking about components that start 
immediately, or components that are scheduled with a "scheduler.expression" 
(https://sling.apache.org/documentation/bundles/scheduler-service-commons-scheduler.html#scheduling-with-a-cron-expression)
 property. That way the component stays active for OSGi, but doesn't act 
because I programmed it to do so.
        >
        > Too bad it renders this statement 
(https://sling.apache.org/documentation/bundles/sling-settings-org-apache-sling-settings.html#getting-the-run-modes-of-the-sling-instance-1)
 unusable:
        >
        >> Getting run modes in this way is usually not needed, it's better to 
define bundles or configurations that are only valid in specific run modes, 
rather than making decisions in code based on run modes.
        >
        > Kind regards
        >
        > Wim
        >
        > Op 30/07/2020 09:13 heeft Carsten Ziegeler <cziege...@apache.org> 
geschreven:
        >
        >      Hi,
        >
        >      the run mode "author" is sticky - once you start a AEM instance 
with
        >      that run mode it will continue to use it, regardless of what you 
specify
        >      on the next startup. So in your example, the run mode author is 
active
        >      for all three startups.
        >
        >      Messing with the launchpad/config folder is not recommended as 
you can
        >      run in exactly the problems you describe. The OSGi installer 
(the main
        >      component used by the JCR installer) is not reverting changes 
done by
        >      other tools or humans. So what you describe is actually expected:
        >
        >      When you manually remove configurations from launchpad/config and
        >      restart the instance (standby restart), the installer still has 
the
        >      state that it has installed the configurations previously. So it 
is not
        >      acting - this is the intended behaviour as the installer is not 
messing
        >      with changes done through other means (like this manual remove). 
And as
        >      "author" is a sticky run mode, the installer sees no change in 
the set
        >      of known configurations read from JCR.
        >
        >      Similar on the next restart (without standby), the installer 
does not do
        >      anything. Again, author run mode still active, no change.
        >
        >      Regards
        >      Carsten
        >
        >      Am 30.07.2020 um 08:38 schrieb Wim Symons:
        >      > Hi all,
        >      >
        >      > After 2 weeks of waiting on Daycare to respond, I’m reaching 
out here,
        >      > as I think this is more Apache Sling related than AEM specific.
        >      >
        >      > I’m trying to successfully make an AEM primary author from a 
cold
        >      > standby author, but it fails.
        >      >
        >      > It fails because all our OSGi components with config bound to 
the
        >      > ‘author’ runmode doesn’t get installed after switching runmode.
        >      >
        >      > I looked at the source code, but it seems there is no way to 
trigger the
        >      > JcrInstaller to re-initialize all OSGi config stored in the 
repository.
        >      >
        >      > Is there any way to do that?
        >      >
        >      > A more detailed explanation of our process:
        >      >
        >      > You start by creating a standby author instance from a primary 
instance
        >      > (runmode “author” is active).
        >      >
        >      > The OSGi configuration for our components is stored in 
sling:OsgiConfig
        >      > nodes in the JCR below “config.author” folders.
        >      >
        >      > It is properly installed by the JCR Installer and the config 
files can
        >      > be found in the launchpad/config folder on disk.
        >      >
        >      > We shut down the instance, *and remove all our OSGi config 
from the
        >      > launchpad/config folder on disk*.
        >      >
        >      > We do that to avoid our components getting active in the 
standby runmode
        >      > as this is not wanted.
        >      >
        >      > The OSGi config stored in the launchpad/config folder on disk 
is used,
        >      > not the OSGi config from the JCR.
        >      >
        >      > I think this is **issue (1)**.
        >      >
        >      > We start the instance with runmode “standby”.
        >      >
        >      > All is fine, AEM is acting as a standby instance, and our 
components are
        >      > not active.
        >      >
        >      > We restart the instance, but now give it the runmode “author” 
again.
        >      >
        >      > We would expect all OSGi configuration from the 
sling:OsgiConfig nodes
        >      > below “config.author” folders would become installed by the 
OSGi
        >      > framework, but in fact, it does not.
        >      >
        >      > This is **issue (2)**.
        >      >
        >      > AEM acts as an author instance again, but all our components 
are not
        >      > active because they don’t have any OSGi config 
(launchpad/config is empty).
        >      >
        >      > How can I fix this?
        >      >
        >      > Or is this a situation Apache Sling can’t handle?
        >      >
        >      > Kind regards,
        >      >
        >      > *Wim Symons
        >      > AEM Lead Architect
        >      > *Digital Production Center
        >      >
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