Hi Carsten,
I'll enable DEBUG logging on org.apache.sling.installer.provider.jcr.impl and
org.apache.sling.installer.core.impl in primary mode to see what it spits out
when restarting it standby mode.
Should that suffice, or should I also enable logging elsewhere?
Kind regards
Wim
Op 30/07/2020 16:25 heeft Carsten Ziegeler <cziege...@apache.org> geschreven:
Hi Wim,
hmm, ok, now the JCR installer thinks that the "primary" run mode is
still active. So my first guess would be that this is the case. If thats
really not the case, then this needs more debugging of the JCR installer
and why it thinks that "primary" is still active.
Regards
Carsten
Am 30.07.2020 um 15:17 schrieb Wim Symons:
> Hi Carsten,
>
> Still haven't received your reply through the mail, I poked our helpdesk
if it's stuck somewhere, but I could see it on the Internet at
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ra950fefaf92aaede7ca2b61d5790d615c5dedf897920172fc372849d%40%3Cusers.sling.apache.org%3E.
>
> Yes, the configuration is in a config.author.primary folder.
>
> And yes, the configuration is listed in the OSGi installer tab of the
console.
>
> See the screenshots at:
> -
https://rto365-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/wim_symons_vrt_be/ET_pBk0vtPRKpO04MubWSJgBhY1BBwmWuHkQfly5IvwrBw?e=PTEKKd
> -
https://rto365-my.sharepoint.com/:i:/g/personal/wim_symons_vrt_be/EazREkn5gbRDq6gSBPUnWD4BlxYheRMd1KzTaa2NvXbaAg?e=mOg1Ls
>
> Kind regards
>
> Wim
>
> Op 30/07/2020 14:32 heeft Wim Symons <wim.sym...@vrt.be> geschreven:
>
> Hi Carsten,
>
> I just tried your suggestion on a blank instance with a very simple
test project.
> But, unfortunately, the result is the same.
>
> The component is active on the standby and has the config from the
primary instance.
>
> What I did:
>
> - created an author-primary directory
> - created an instance with -r primary,crx3,crx3tar,nosamplecontent
> - verified the active runmodes: crx3, s7connect, nosamplecontent,
author, crx3tar, primary
> - verified the Standby MBean: mode=primary, running=true
> - installed my test project
> - verified the component config: exists
> - verified the component is active and running
> - shutdown the instance
>
> - copied the entire author-primary to an author-standby directory
> - added the
org.apache.jackrabbit.oak.segment.SegmentNodeStoreService.config and
org.apache.jackrabbit.oak.segment.standby.store.StandbyStoreService.config to
the crx-quickstart/install/install.standby folder as described at
https://docs.adobe.com/content/help/en/experience-manager-64/deploying/deploying/tarmk-cold-standby.html
> - started the instance with -r standby,crx3,crx3tar,nosamplecontent
-p 4602
> - verified the active runmodes:
standby,s7connect,crx3,nosamplecontent,author,crx3tar
> - verified the Standby MBean: mode=client, running=true, in sync
> - verified the component config: exists (!)
> - verified the component: active (!) and running
> - shut down the instance
>
> So, we're back to square one.
>
> Is this is an Apache Sling bug or an unsupported feature?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Wim
>
> Op 30/07/2020 09:59 heeft Wim Symons <wim.sym...@vrt.be> geschreven:
>
> We will give it a try.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Wim
>
> Op 30/07/2020 09:57 heeft Carsten Ziegeler
<cziege...@apache.org> geschreven:
>
> Hi,
>
> The referenced documentation describes the procedure - which
I believe
> works. It is not mentioning to delete configurations in the
launchpad
> folder.
>
> So I guess what you want to achieve is to not activate
components in
> standby mode - this can be done by using the run mode
combination of
> author and primary for these configurations, so putting them
into a
> config.author.primary folder.
>
> The primary is started with the run mode "primary" and
therefore the
> configurations apply. The standby is not started with
"primary" but
> "standby" - the OSGi/JCR installer will take care of it and
handle the
> configurations properly.
>
> Regards
> Carsten
>
>
> Am 30.07.2020 um 09:44 schrieb Wim Symons:
> > Hi Carsten,
> >
> > Thanks for your swift reply.
> >
> > But that means, the procedure Adobe describes to correctly
set up a standby instance on
https://helpx.adobe.com/experience-manager/kb/how-to-setup-cold-standby-instance-in-AEM.html
is not clear on this subject.
> >
> > Is there *any* way you know to make this work?
> > Can I reset the state of the JCR installer so it picks up
all config again?
> >
> > Other thought is to change the components that really
should not get active in standby mode to check the active runmode through the
SlingSettings interface upon component start.
> > But that's quite a few, I'm thinking about components that
start immediately, or components that are scheduled with a
"scheduler.expression"
(https://sling.apache.org/documentation/bundles/scheduler-service-commons-scheduler.html#scheduling-with-a-cron-expression)
property. That way the component stays active for OSGi, but doesn't act
because I programmed it to do so.
> >
> > Too bad it renders this statement
(https://sling.apache.org/documentation/bundles/sling-settings-org-apache-sling-settings.html#getting-the-run-modes-of-the-sling-instance-1)
unusable:
> >
> >> Getting run modes in this way is usually not needed, it's
better to define bundles or configurations that are only valid in specific run
modes, rather than making decisions in code based on run modes.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Wim
> >
> > Op 30/07/2020 09:13 heeft Carsten Ziegeler
<cziege...@apache.org> geschreven:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > the run mode "author" is sticky - once you start a
AEM instance with
> > that run mode it will continue to use it, regardless
of what you specify
> > on the next startup. So in your example, the run mode
author is active
> > for all three startups.
> >
> > Messing with the launchpad/config folder is not
recommended as you can
> > run in exactly the problems you describe. The OSGi
installer (the main
> > component used by the JCR installer) is not reverting
changes done by
> > other tools or humans. So what you describe is
actually expected:
> >
> > When you manually remove configurations from
launchpad/config and
> > restart the instance (standby restart), the installer
still has the
> > state that it has installed the configurations
previously. So it is not
> > acting - this is the intended behaviour as the
installer is not messing
> > with changes done through other means (like this
manual remove). And as
> > "author" is a sticky run mode, the installer sees no
change in the set
> > of known configurations read from JCR.
> >
> > Similar on the next restart (without standby), the
installer does not do
> > anything. Again, author run mode still active, no
change.
> >
> > Regards
> > Carsten
> >
> > Am 30.07.2020 um 08:38 schrieb Wim Symons:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > After 2 weeks of waiting on Daycare to respond, I’m
reaching out here,
> > > as I think this is more Apache Sling related than
AEM specific.
> > >
> > > I’m trying to successfully make an AEM primary
author from a cold
> > > standby author, but it fails.
> > >
> > > It fails because all our OSGi components with
config bound to the
> > > ‘author’ runmode doesn’t get installed after
switching runmode.
> > >
> > > I looked at the source code, but it seems there is
no way to trigger the
> > > JcrInstaller to re-initialize all OSGi config
stored in the repository.
> > >
> > > Is there any way to do that?
> > >
> > > A more detailed explanation of our process:
> > >
> > > You start by creating a standby author instance
from a primary instance
> > > (runmode “author” is active).
> > >
> > > The OSGi configuration for our components is stored
in sling:OsgiConfig
> > > nodes in the JCR below “config.author” folders.
> > >
> > > It is properly installed by the JCR Installer and
the config files can
> > > be found in the launchpad/config folder on disk.
> > >
> > > We shut down the instance, *and remove all our OSGi
config from the
> > > launchpad/config folder on disk*.
> > >
> > > We do that to avoid our components getting active
in the standby runmode
> > > as this is not wanted.
> > >
> > > The OSGi config stored in the launchpad/config
folder on disk is used,
> > > not the OSGi config from the JCR.
> > >
> > > I think this is **issue (1)**.
> > >
> > > We start the instance with runmode “standby”.
> > >
> > > All is fine, AEM is acting as a standby instance,
and our components are
> > > not active.
> > >
> > > We restart the instance, but now give it the
runmode “author” again.
> > >
> > > We would expect all OSGi configuration from the
sling:OsgiConfig nodes
> > > below “config.author” folders would become
installed by the OSGi
> > > framework, but in fact, it does not.
> > >
> > > This is **issue (2)**.
> > >
> > > AEM acts as an author instance again, but all our
components are not
> > > active because they don’t have any OSGi config
(launchpad/config is empty).
> > >
> > > How can I fix this?
> > >
> > > Or is this a situation Apache Sling can’t handle?
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > *Wim Symons
> > > AEM Lead Architect
> > > *Digital Production Center
> > >
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