On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Andrzej Adam Filip wrote: > "Steven W. Orr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Wednesday, Aug 2nd 2006 at 13:50 -0700, quoth Derek Harding: > > > > =>On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 16:37 -0400, Tom Ray wrote: > > =>> Anyone serious about stopping SPAM should not use SpamCop. They have no > > =>> real checking method, it's like AOL's spam blocking method...they just > > =>> let users submit what they think is spam and then block it. It's > > =>> pointless. There's not even a way to contact anyone at SpamCop to fix a > > =>> falsely listed server or what not. > > => > > =>Spamcop has its problems, some very serious, however the above > > > > Hold on there Bullwinkle! I have been religiously using spamcop in the > > hopes that the reports that are sent out get used by at least some of the > > ISPs. Am I wrong about this? > > They help keep *good* ISPs clean. Bad ISPs care very little. > I assume I receive <1% of received spam from good ISPs. > > It is not a bad idea to post copies of spamcop.net submitted spam (after > munging) to NANAS with spamcop.net report link.
I like to think that I'm a "good ISP", but I've had at least one of my servers listed a few times by them. They delist in 24 hours, but there are still people who reject using SpamCop as a BL. I do not recommend this. Spamcop lists any server that bounces email into one of their spam traps. I contacted them via their newsgroups and they are adamant that no server should ever bounce email or have any kind of autoreply. While I agree that bouncing (as opposed to rejecting) email because it is detected as spam or a virus is very bad, they're basically insisting that you violate RFCs 2821 and 3464. If you have customer autoresponders, you're SOL. If you host mailing lists that uses an autoreply confirmation (itself an anti-spam measure), you're SOL. They insist that this is "bad behavior". I insist that it's neccessary for my business and in compliance with all applicable RFCs. I use them in SA...2.0 score, which I lowered from 3.5 when I notice that yahoo groups were listed. But the only BLs I reject against are sbl-xbl, which catches a big chunk with virtually no false positives. James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://3.am =========================================================================
