Marc Perkel wrote:
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote:
SAV is a lousy anti-forgery mechanism, primarily because it isn't an
anti-forgery mechanism. At best it's a "somebody might legitimately
use this address but I have no idea if it's being forged in this
instance" mechanism. SAV doesn't make spammers fail, it merely
requires them to use a valid address, and guess what, they've got
billions of valid addresses at their disposal.
I don't understand why you think SAV is a louse anti-forgery tool.
I guess you missed the second half of that sentence then. SAV cannot
tell you that an address was not forged. At best it can tell you that
the address doesn't exist and it probably was sent by a third party. If
you want to call this a forgery (how you forge something that doesn't
exist to begin with, I'm not sure) go for it.
It forces spammers to have to find real email addresses to forge.
Forcing spammers to forge an address is considered anti-forgery? Now
I'm confused.
Domains
that I host are rarely spoofed because when other hosts use SAV I
welcome that and verify which email addresses are bad and the spam is
rejected at connect time. When I use SAV I don't have to run those
messages through spam assassin because I already know they are spam. So
don't tell me that it doesn't work because I know for a fact that it does.
OK, I won't tell you it doesn't work, and I didn't before either. I'm
simple suggesting that it's abusive and selfish.
I WANT people to verify against my servers. I WELCOME it because
spammers blacklist ME.
As to people blacklisting me - I am quite capable of effectively evening
the score. Those who black list me are a buch of cowards who hide and
create anonymous black lists to try to bully people into what they want
us to do. But these people have left a trail that I'm reconstructing and
I'm going to out them and it's going to be a very public outing. So I
don't just complain when I get blacklisted. I fix the problem.
If you want to waste your time on that go for it. I'd be really
surprised if you aren't currently, or have in the past, you yourself
used blacklists operated by "anonymous cowards" though.
Daryl
