Am 16.09.2014 um 16:01 schrieb John Hardin:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> Le 16/09/2014 12:24, Reindl Harald a écrit :
>>>> score LIST_PARTIAL 2.000 1.999 2.000 1.999
>>>>
>>>> that feels too high, as example we add "List-Unsubscribe" headers in case 
>>>> of ordiany newsletters to support MUA
>>>> which read that header (for TB a extension exists)
>>
>> i have seen that rule hit one customers newsletter generated here, going 
>> through a relay responsible for the
>> sender domain and coming back to the customer itself why it makes it through 
>> SA
> 
> Important question: are those messages being scored as spam?
> 
> If not, how close to spam (5.0) are they being scored?
> Are you willing to provide a sample of one such?

in that case not, but depends on some wired HTML, bad chosen
subject or so hit another rule where 2 points penalty may
come closer to spam, keep in mind nobody knows how good or
bad a bayes on the RCPT side maybe trained

what alarmed me was not that our SA in that specific case
had -1 and not -3 but that a message with a header added
by good intentions get a high penalty in general

seeing other 100% spam make it through the milter because the
"score RP_MATCHES_RCVD -3.5" (reduced here to -0.5) and so even
outbeating BAYES_99 makes +2 simply too high

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