> first of all the bean spec is _not_ the java way. it is just a spec, widely
> adopted though it is - just like jsf.

Comparing JavaBeans with JSF is plain bs. JavaBeans has been put
forward as a standard patten by SUN from the very first versions of
Java, and it is part of any beginners Java book you can get. I
consider it an integral part of Java.

Eelco

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